FamilyTreeDNA Provides Y DNA Haplogroups from Family Finder Autosomal Tests

Big News! FamilyTreeDNA is delivering holiday gifts early!

Y DNA haplogroups are beginning to be delivered as a free benefit to men who took the Family Finder test at FamilyTreeDNA. This is the first wave of a staggered rollout. Haplogroup results will be delivered to several thousand people at a time, in batches, beginning today.

This is no trivial gift and includes LOTS of information that can be used in various ways for your genealogy. Please feel free to share this article. The new Family Finder haplogroups are another reason to take a Family Finder test and to encourage other family members to do so as well.

How is this Even Possible?

Clearly, Y DNA is not autosomal DNA, so how is it possible to obtain a Y DNA or mitochondrial DNA haplogroup from an autosomal test? Great question!

Many autosomal DNA processing chips include a limited number of targeted Y and mitochondrial DNA SNP locations. Generally, those locations are haplogroup predictive, which is how haplogroup information can be obtained from an autosomal DNA test.

Compared to the actual Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA tests, only a small fraction of the information is available through autosomal tests. Only the full sequence mitochondrial DNA test or the Big Y-700 test will provide you with the full story, including your most refined haplogroup, additional information, and matching with other customers.

Having said that, haplogroups obtained from Family Finder provide important clues and genealogical information that will hopefully whet recipients’ appetites for learning even more.

Delivery Schedule

This first group of men to receive haplogroup results consists of testers who have purchased the Family Finder test since March 2019 when the most recent chip was put into production.

FamilyTreeDNA will be rolling haplogroups out in batches of a few thousand each day until everyone’s is complete, in the following order:

  • Family Finder tests purchased since March 2019 (their V3 chip)
  • Family Finder tests purchased between the fall of 2015 to March 2019 (their V2 chip)
  • Family Finder tests purchased from 2010 to the fall of 2015 (their V1 chip)
  • Autosomal uploads from other vendors for customers who have unlocked the advanced Family Finder features for $19

Uploaded DNA Files from Other Vendors

After the results are available for all males who have tested at FamilyTreeDNA, haplogroups will begin to be rolled out to customers who uploaded autosomal DNA files from other companies, meaning MyHeritage, Vitagene, 23andMe, and Ancestry.

To receive haplogroups for files uploaded from other vendors, the Family Finder advanced tool unlock must have been (or can be) purchased for $19. In addition to haplogroups, the unlock also provides access to the chromosome browser, myOrigins (ethnicity), Chromosome painting for myOrigins ethnicity, and ancient Origins.

Both MyHeritage and Vitagene tests are performed in the Gene by Gene lab. Those “uploads” are actually a secure business-to-business transaction, so the file integrity is assured.

Ancestry and 23andMe DNA files are downloaded from those companies, then uploaded to FamilyTreeDNA. Some people build “composite” files in the format of these companies, so FamilyTreeDNA has no way to assure that the original DNA upload file hasn’t been modified and it is a legitimate, unmodified, file from either 23andMe or Ancestry. Hence, in some situations, they are treated differently.

Both Ancestry and 23andMe utilize different chips than FamilyTreeDNA, covering different SNPs. Those results may vary slightly from results available from native FamilyTreeDNA tests, and will also vary from each other. In other words, there’s no consistency, and therefore haplogroup accuracy cannot be confirmed.

Haplogroups resulting from tests performed in the FamilyTreeDNA lab will be visible to matches and on the SNP pages within projects. They will also be used in both Discover and the haplotree statistics. This includes Family Finder plus MyHeritage and Vitagene DNA file uploads.

Tests performed elsewhere will receive haplogroups that will only be visible to the user, or a group administrator viewing a kit within a project. They will not be visible to matches, used in trees or for statistics.

At their recent conference, FamilyTreeDNA provided this slide during an update about what to expect from Family Finder haplogroups.

Today, only Y DNA haplogroups are being provided, but after the new mitochondrial tree is available, customer haplogroups are updated, and MitoDiscover (my name, not theirs) is released, FamilyTreeDNA is planning to provide mitochondrial DNA haplogroups for Family Finder customers as well. The current haplogroup estimate is late 2024 or even into 2025.

Unfortunately, some of Ancestry’s DNA files don’t include mitochondrial DNA SNPs, so some customers who’ve uploaded Ancestry files won’t receive mitochondrial haplogroups.

STR Haplogroups to be Updated

All FamilyTreeDNA customers who have taken Y DNA STR tests, meaning 12, 25, 37, 67, or 111 markers, receive predicted haplogroups. Often, the Family Finder extracted results can provide a more refined haplogroup.

When that is possible, STR test predicted haplogroup results will be updated to the more refined Family Finder haplogroup.

Furthermore, while STR results are quite reliably predicted, Family Finder results are SNP-confirmed.

Notification

When your Family Finder test has received a haplogroup or your STR-derived haplogroup has been updated, you’ll receive an email notification with a link to a short, less than 2-minute video explaining what you’re receiving.

You can also expect emails in the following days with links to additional short videos. If you’d like to watch the videos now, click here.

You can also check your results, of course. If you should have received an email and didn’t, check your spam folder, and if it’s not there, notify FamilyTreeDNA in case your email has managed to get on the bounce list.

Group project administrators will receive notifications when a haplogroup is updated for a member in a project that they manage. This doesn’t just apply to Family Finder haplogroup updates for STR results – notifications will arrive when Big Y haplogroups are updated, too.

Emails about haplogroup updates will include both the old and the updated haplogroup.

Haplogroups may change as other testers receive results, forming a new haplogroup. The Big Y-700 test is evergreen, meaning as the Y tree grows, testers’ results are updated on an ongoing basis.

New View

Let’s take a look at what customers will receive.

In one of my surname projects, one male has taken a Family Finder test, but not the Y DNA test.

Several other men in that same paternal line, who are clearly related (including his brother), have taken Y DNA tests – both STR and the Big Y-700.

We have men who have taken the Big Y-700 test, STR tests only (no Big Y), and one with only a Family Finder test, so let’s compare all three, beginning with the man who has taken a Family Finder test but no Y DNA tests.

He has now been assigned to haplogroup I-BY1031, thanks to his Family Finder test.

Before today, because he has not taken a Y DNA test, he had no haplogroup or Y DNA Results section on his personal page.

Today, he does. Of course, he doesn’t have STR results or matches, but he DOES have confirmed SNP results, at least part way down the tree.

He can view these results on the Haplotree & SNPs tab or in Discover. Let’s look at both.

Haplotree & SNPs

By clicking on the Haplotree & SNPs link, you can view the results by variants (mutations,) as shown below, or by countries, surnames, or recommended projects for each haplogroup.

Of course, as more Family Finder results are rolled out, the more names and countries will appear on the Haplotree.

Recommended Projects

It’s easy to determine which haplogroup projects would be a good fit for people with these new haplogroups to join.

Just view by Recommended Projects, then scan up that column above the selected haplogroup. You can even just click right there to join. It’s that easy!

Results still won’t show on the public project page, because these testers don’t have STR results to display. Perhaps this will encourage additional testing in order to match with other men.

Download SNP Results

If you’re interested, you can download your SNP results in spreadsheet format.

I’m only showing four of my cousin’s positive SNPs, but FamilyTreeDNA was able to extract 358 positive SNPs to assign him to haplogroup I-BY1031.

Are Family Finder Haplogroups Better Than STR Test Predicted Haplogroups?

How do Family Finder haplogroups stack up against STR-predicted haplogroups?

Viewing the Y DNA results of related cousins who have taken STR tests, but not the Big Y-700, we see that their Y DNA haplogroup was predicted as I-M253.

We also know that the haplogroup determined by the Big Y-700 for this line is I-BY73911.

How can we use this information beneficially, and what does it mean?

Discover

Family Finder haplogroups can access Discover, which I wrote about, here.

Clicking on the Discover link takes you to your haplogroup story.

Let’s look at the new Family Finder Haplogroup Story for this tester.

Haplogroup I-BY1031 is about 3100 years old and is found in England, Sweden, the US, and 14 other countries. Of course, as more Family Finder haplogroups are provided to customers, this information will change for many haplogroups, so check back often.

Of course, you’ll want to review every single tab, which are chapters in your ancestral story! The Time Tree shows your haplogroup age in perspective to other haplogroups and their formation, and Ancient Connections anchors haplogroups through archaeology.

You can share any Discover page in several ways. This is a good opportunity to excite other family members about the discoveries revealed through DNA testing and genealogy. Prices are reduced right now with the Holiday Sale, too, so it’s a great time to gift someone else or yourself.

Compare – How Good is Good?

Ok, so how much better is the Family Finder haplogroup than the STR-predicted haplogroup, and how much better is the Big Y-700 haplogroup than the other two?

I’ll use the Discover “Compare” feature to answer these questions.

First, let’s compare the STR-predicted haplogroup of I-M253 to the Family Finder haplogroup of I-BY1031.

I clicked on Compare and entered the haplogroup I wish to compare to I-BY1031.

I-M253 I-BY1031 I-BY73199
Haplogroup Source STR Predicted Family Finder Big Y-700
Formation Year 2600 BCE 1100 BCE 1750 CE
Age – Years ago 4600 3100 270
Era Stone Age, Metal Age Metal Age Modern
Ancestral Locations England, Sweden, Germany, UK, +100 Sweden, England, US, +14 Netherlands
Tested Descendants 26,572 121 2
Branches 6779 69 0 – this is the pot-of-gold end leaf on the branch today

I created this chart to compare the major features of all three haplogroups.

The STR-predicted haplogroup, I-M253, takes you to about 2,600 BCE, or about 4,600 years ago. The Family Finder haplogroup shifts that significantly to about 1100 BCE, or 3100 years ago, so it’s about 1500 years more recent. However, the Big Y haplogroup takes you home – from 3100 years ago to about 270 years ago.

Notice that there’s a LOT of room for refinement under haplogroup I-M253. A Big Y tester might wind up on any of those 6779 branches, and might well be assigned to a newly formed branch with his test. The Family Finder haplogroup, I-BY1031, which was, by the way, discovered through Big Y testing, moved the autosomal test taker forward 1500 years where there are 121 descendants in 69 branches. The Big Y-700 test is the most refined possible, moving you directly into a genealogically relevant timeframe with a very specific location.

I-M253 is found in over 100 countries, I-BY1031 in 17 and I-BY73199 is found only in one – the Netherlands.

Based on confirmed genealogy, the common ancestor of the two men who have Big Y-700 haplogroup I-BY73199 was a man named Hendrik Jans Ferwerda, born in 1806 in the Netherlands, so 217 years ago. Of course, that haplogroup itself could have been born a generation or two before Hendrik. We simply won’t know for sure until more men test. More testers refine the haplotree, haplogroup ages, and refine our genealogy as well.

Haplogroup Comparison and Analysis

Let’s look at the Discover “Compare” feature of the three haplogroups from my family line from the Netherlands. Please note that your results will differ because every haplogroup is different, but this is a good way to compare the three types of haplogroup results and an excellent avenue to illustrate why testing and upgrades are so important.

The haplogroup ages are according to the Discover Time Tree.

Y-Adam to Haplogroup I1 I-M253 STR Haplogroup  to I-BY1031 Family Finder Haplogroup I-BY1031 Family Finder Haplogroup to BY73199 Big Y Haplogroup
Y-Adam (haplogroup A-PR2921) lived about 234,000 years ago
A0-T
A1
A1b
CT
CF
F
GHIJK
HIJK
IJK
IJ
I
M170
Z2699
L840
I1 I1
I-M253 lived about 4600 years ago
DF29
Z58
Z2041
Z2040
Z382
Y3643
Y2170
FT92441
FT45372
PH1178
BY1031 I-BY1031 lived about 3100 years ago
FT230048
BY65928
BY61100
I-BY73199 lived about 270 years ago

 All of the base haplogroups in the first column leading to Haplogroup I span the longest elapsed time, about 230,000 years, from Y-Adam to I-M253, the STR-predicted haplogroup, but are the least relevant to contemporary genealogy. They do tell us where we came from more distantly.

The second column moves you about 1500 years forward in time to the Family Finder confirmed haplogroup, reducing the location from pretty much everyplace in Europe (plus a few more locations) with more than 6700 branches, to 69 branches in only 17 countries.

With the fewest haplogroups, the third column spans the most recent 2800 years, bringing you unquestionably into the genealogically relevant timeframe, 270 years ago, in only one country where surnames apply.

If we had more testers from the Netherlands or nearby regions, there would probably be more branches on the tree between BY1031 and BY73199, the Big Y-700 haplogroup.

The second column is clearly an improvement over the first column which gets us to I-M253. The Family Finder upgrade from I-M253 to BY1031 provides information about our ancestors 3000-4500 years ago, where they lived and culturally, what they were doing. Ancient Connections enhance that understanding.

But the third column moves into the modern area where surnames are relevant and is the holy grail of genealogy. It’s a journey to get from Adam to the Netherlands in one family 270 years ago, but we can do it successfully between Family Finder and the Big Y-700.

Family Finder Matching

Given that these new haplogroups result from Family Finder, how do these results show in Family Finder matching? How do we know if someone with a haplogroup has taken a Y DNA test or if their haplogroup is from their Family Finder test?

  • All Family Finder haplogroups will show in the results for people who tested at FamilyTreeDNA as soon as they are all rolled out
  • All MyHeritage and Vitagene uploads, because they are processed by the Gene by Gene lab, will be shown IF they have purchased the unlock.
  • No Ancestry or 23andMe haplogroups will be shown to Family Finder matches

To determine whether or not your matches’ haplogroups result from a Y DNA test or a Family Finder haplogroup, on your Family Finder match page, look just beneath the name of your matches.

The first man above received the Family Finder haplogroup. You can see he has no other tests listed. The second man has taken the Big Y-700 test. You can see that he has a different haplogroup, and if you look beneath his name, you’ll see that he took the Big Y-700 test.

For other men, you may see the 67 or 111 marker tests, for example, so you’ll know that they are available for Y-DNA matching. That may be important information because you can then visit the appropriate surname project to see if they happen to be listed with an earliest known ancestor.

After the rollout is complete, If you have a male Family Finder match with no haplogroup shown, you know that:

  • They did not test at FamilyTree DNA
  • If they uploaded from MyHeritage or Vitagene, they did not unlock the advanced Family Finder features
  • Or, they tested at either 23andMe or Ancestry, and uploaded their results

You can always reach out to your match and ask.

How to Use This Information

There are several great ways to utilize this new information.

I have a roadblock with my Moore line. Moore is a common surname with many, many origins, so I have autosomal matches to several Moore individuals who may or may not be from my Moore line.

I do know the base haplogroup of my Moore men, but I do not have a Big Y, unfortunately, and can’t upgrade because the tester is deceased. (I wish I had ordered the Big Y out the gate, but too late now.)

As soon as the results are complete for all of the testers, I’ll be able, by process of elimination to some extent, focus ONLY on the testers who fall into Family Finder haplogroup of my Moore cousins, or at least haplogroup close for Ancestry or 23andMe upload customers. In other words, I can eliminate the rest.

I can then ask the men with a similar haplogroup to my proven Moore cousins for more information, including whether they would be willing to take a Y DNA test.

  • Second, as soon as the Family Finder processing is complete, I will know that all male Family Finder matches and uploads from MyHeritage and Vitagene that have paid for the unlock will have haplogroups displayed on the Family Finder Match page. Therefore, if there’s a male Moore with no haplogroup, I can reach out to see where they tested and if a haplogroup has been assigned, even if it’s from Ancestry or 23andMe and isn’t displayed in Family Finder.

If so, and they share the haplogroup with me, I’ll be able to include or exclude them. If included, I can then ask if they would consider taking a Y DNA test.

  • Third, for lines I don’t yet have Y DNA testers for, I can now peruse my matches, and my cousins’ matches for that line. See items one and two, above. Even if they don’t reply or agree to Y DNA testing, at least now I have SOME haplogroup for that missing line.

Discover will help me flesh out the information I have, narrow regions, find projects, look at ancient DNA for hints, and more.

  • Fourth, the haplogroups themselves. I don’t know how many million tests FamilyTreeDNA has in their database, but if we assume that half of those are male, some percentage won’t have taken a Y DNA test at all. We’ll be able to obtain Y-DNA information for lines where there may be no other living descendant. I have at least one like that. He was the end of the surname line and is deceased, with no sons.

I’m literally ecstatic that I’ll be able to obtain at least something for that line. If it’s anything like my example Netherlands lineage, the Family Finder haplogroup may be able to point me to an important region of Europe – or maybe someplace else very unexpected.

The Bottom Line

Here’s the bottom line. You don’t know what you don’t know – and our ancestors are FULL of surprises.

I can’t even begin to tell you how MUCH I’m looking forward to this haplogroup rollout.

To prepare, I’m making a list of my genealogical lines:

  • If the paternal line, meaning surname line, is represented by any match in any database
  • If that line is represented by a known person in the FamilyTreeDNA database and by whom
  • If they or someone from that line has joined a surname or other FamilyTreeDNA project, and if so, which one
  • If they’ve taken a Y DNA test, and what kind – watch STR results for an updated haplogroup
  • If they’ve taken a Family Finder test – my cousin is a good example of a known individual whose kit I can watch for a new haplogroup
  • Old and new haplogroup, if applicable

If my only relative from that line is in another vendor’s database, I’ll ask if they will upload their file to FamilyTreeDNA – and explain why by sharing this article. (Feel free to do the same.) A Y DNA haplogroup is a good incentive, and I would be glad to pay for the unlock at FamilyTreeDNA for cousins who represent Y and mitochondrial DNA lines I don’t already have.

One way I sweeten the pie is to offer testing scholarships to select lines where I need either the Y DNA or mitochondrial DNA of relevant ancestors. It’s a good thing these haplogroups are being rolled out a few thousand at a time! I need to budget for all the scholarships I’ll want to offer.

I feel like I won the lottery, and FamilyTreeDNA is giving me a free haplogroup encyclopedia of information about my ancestors through my cousins – even those who haven’t taken Y DNA tests. I can’t even express how happy this makes me.

What lines do you want to discover more about, and what is your plan? Tests are on sale now if you need them!

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24 thoughts on “FamilyTreeDNA Provides Y DNA Haplogroups from Family Finder Autosomal Tests

  1. This is exciting. Looking forward to 3 updates:

    Mother’s 3rd cousin (tested y-67 & FF) currently showing R-M269 – my maternal uncle tested to Big Y.

    Paternal uncle (tested FF) currently showing “Unknown Haplogroup” in place of previous R-M269 – I tested to Big Y.

    Mother-in-Law’s 1st cousin (tested FF) currently showing “Unknown Haplogroup” in place of previous R-M269. No known close testers.

    • Of course, R-M269, The man who is the most recent common ancestor of this line is estimated to have been born around 4350 BCE (over 6,000 years ago), and there are 92,192 DNA tested descendants, and they specified that their earliest known origins are from Ireland,
      England, United States, and 174 other countries.

      It is not uncommon to find out that just because two folks in a surname are of the same ancient haplogroup, it only rules out that they are mis-matched. Plenty of times I’ve seen folks who thought they were cousins due to an ancient haplogroup connection that was long before the time of surnames, once the Y-700 comes in, they find out they had a common ancestor way back, and not close cousins as had been assumed- meanwhile damage to hundreds of family trees due to folks copying the assumptions. So be careful and cautious in assumptions. Even a Y-67 misleading, we upgraded one kit to the Y-700, and found the common haplogroup with 14 others was still 1,200 A.D., which blew the wind out of some sails. (11 Big-Y Markers different, if you were curious). And they carried the surname.

      Many others identified from Autosomal kits are more precarious, like R-M343: The man who is the most recent common ancestor of this line is estimated to have been born around 17,000 BCE.

      A great place to see just how Ancient the Autosomal kit’s haplogroup is: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/story

      I’ve got one R-M269 match, whom eventually did the Big-Y, our common shared ancestor was born 5,000 years ago, our later most recent common haplogroup is R-L151. 37 Big Y-700 STRs different.

      So certainly do keep in mind that a common Stone Age haplogroup from an Autosomal kit ONLY points to an *extremely* remote possibility, and deeper testing is most certainly required.

      Does anyone know if the Autosomal kit Markers (numeric values) will show up once that person joins a project?

      • The autosomal kit will only have the haplogroup and as I understand it, will only show on the project SNP page.

  2. I am a GAP admin. I assume that the y-dna haplogroup on a person’s home page badge and listed in the table of y-dna STR results for projects will reflect the most recent haplogroup, whether it is from FamilyFinder, SNP or SNP Pack tests, or BigY. I would, however, like access to the FF-based haplogroup in addition to SNP test or BigY haplogroup results so that I can look for consistency among FF haplogroups. The FF-based haplogroup will obviously exist, but will we and the testers be able to access it if the tester has done SNP or BigY testing and have those results? I also assume that SNP Pack results will continue to be what is reported as the haplogroup in a project’s table of STR results since it will probably be much more recent than the FF haplogroup.

    • Yes, the most recent, meaning furthest down the tree is the haplogroup that will be retained for the tester. If that’s a SNP pack SNP, that’s what it will be, but if it’s a FF haplogroup, then that’s what it will be. To the best of my knowledge, the only FF haplogroup SNP files that will be available are the SNP files for the people who receive FF haplogroups, because that file is the most complete.

      • So, if a man has done BigY, no one (tester or admin) will be able to access the haplogroup that resulted from FF if they also did that test since it will be further back in time than the BigY result?

          • There is one reason it could be helpful; and that is as a baseline, against which to compare others.

            Perhaps even better would be lists of Y-DNA (and mtDNA too) SNPs included in each of the vendors’ offerings over time.

            To be really useful, the FF derived haplogroups (where that is the most downstream test) should be included in FF matches downloads.

    • Yes, if you took a Y DNA test anytime it’s included if you also have taken a Family Finder test. The dates mentioned are for when you took the FF test.

  3. So, if I’m understanding this right this is amazing news especially for people who can’t afford buying multiple tests to determine whether European or Native haplogroups… it’ll drastically help narrow down what lineages our autosomal native dna comes from? I know this sounds like a beginner question, but I just can’t believe this is included now! I don’t have any close cousins whose done Y-testing on my maternal side but we and many close cousins on that side show Native autosomal results on Ancestry… so I’m thinking I should take advantage of the holiday discount and buy a few autosomal tests for close male cousins and it’ll at least show me if those surnames are European or Native in origin to a certain extent, right? TIA! I love your blog, I was so happy to find your related on my paternal side (via Crumley). -Rachel

    • Yes, it will show for the Y line anyway. This is exactly why I seek both Y and mtDNA haplogroups for all my ancestors.

      • Wow this is such wonderful news! I can’t believe I’m not seeing this shared in other groups, I almost missed it myself but was comparing holiday sales and noticed what was included in the discounted autosomal kit. I’m working on a list right now of who to buy kits for, lucky me my maternal ancestors lived in a remote mountain community for generations who show autosomal native results, so testing one surname cuts almost half my work down lol I only need three kits for the major surnames who intermarried and show native for the male surnames, and then I can start focusing on the females. Hoping to inspire more cousins to y and mtdna test, but will be buying a few kits to hopefully push things along! Thank you!

  4. I certainly feel like I have done my bit on FtDNA trying to understand my heritage a bit better. I have paid for my brother and two male cousins to get three of my four great grandfathers Y700 results….mixed!!! An Early pre Roman Germanic U106 branch from Bavaria and a late U152 La Tene one from Normandy. Plus an L21 line that seems to have done a tour of the Isles and landed back in England from where it began. I have also done my husbands and one son in law…had to really he was an English YDNA T so I felt that needed to be logged.

    In my family tree I take the unusual cousin match surnames and see if I can find cousin matches in Family Finder and cross my fingers they have done a YDNA test. MtDNA is obviously much harder due to the name changes and I avoid common surnames in the males as well. I have a Bennett DF27 cousin match and my great grandfather Bennett was L21. You have to be careful or at least tongue in cheek unless you can tie trees together.

    I have picked up more L21’s a DF27 and an I-M253 probably Norse. Someone began an FtDNA group for British Counties I think Ireland as well possibly. I did manage to get three more from there.

    It is quite astonishing to see how many different surnames our cousins have but I am looking forward to being able to build a picture of even just a few more. I have to say I thought we would just get the major branch but the advice about looking deeper is really helpful so thank you for that.

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  6. Ohhh, Roberta, please forgive me for emailing you a few days ago. I just read your post about the horrendous year you had. I’m so sorry for all you’ve gone through. And I had no idea the volume of email you get! When I got in touch with you a couple years ago through the Speaks Family Association, I had no idea of the scope of your work when I told you about my Speaks brick wall. Well, I finally made a breakthrough and so wanted to tell you about that. But, mercy, you don’t have time! My breakthrough came through a ThruLines thing on Ancestry DNA that told me I shared DNA with someone I had been trying to confirm as my great great grandmother. But I don’t know enough about how all the DNA stuff works to know if that is solid proof for me, so I emailed you. Then when I read the post about your year, I thought I better try to figure it myself with some of your DNA articles. Well, clearly, this is *all* waaaayyyyy over my head. But I appreciate the work you do! Wishing you a much better 2024, Cousin!

  7. Hi Roberta,

    Why the FamilyTreeDna company still offering Ydna STR tests, if FF test result gaving more details and confirmed SNP result.

    I think FF, BigY, MtFull and Autosomal Transfer Unlock. for single test products, it will be enough.

    for Bundles

    – Family Finder + mtFull Sequence

    – Family Finder + Big Y-700

    – Family Finder + mtFull Sequence + Big Y-700.

    even all Upgrades products of STRs (12,25,37,67,and 111 markers) should be cancel and keep the Upgrades available only to FF or Big Y-700.
    also keep upgrades of Big Y-500 to Big Y-700, mtDNA to mtFull, and mtDNA+ to mtFull.

    I think that’s would be enough.

    Offering a lot of products confusion new customers and wasting the time for customers and FTD company too. Or am I missing somthing.

    At the end, thank you for this article and for all posts in the website.

    Best wishes

      • The matching will be in the result of BigY,  shown all STRs and as you know more accurate match. that will be saving the time to searching roots of someone that maybe related back to 2000 years ago.

        Not everyone has the knowledge of genealogy, how to start to search in history, has the passion, or has patience to do that step by step then looking the explaintion of the results of Y-STRs for a match that really so far .

        Keeping offer of STRs testing 37Y, 67Y, 111Y as single test and with bundles , (12Y and 25Y markers) in the projects research, and the upgrades like 12-37,12-111, 25-37,25-111 etc. It looks to me so strange at current time.

        Also I think it’s the time that FTD would consider to put the basic result of mtDNA haplogroup like HVR1 in FF test.

        • To discontinue the STR tests would be a huge disservice. Many men took those tests, for 25 years, and are now deceased. You may match someone very important who has not and cannot take the Big Y test.

          • No, I didn’t mean to call to delete all the results of STRs tests that done during 25 years. It is like a tresure and must be keep it in the matching database for Big Y result. and for FF test result too.

            I don’t know about the matching STRs result is avaliable or not if someone only had FF test. If not, FTDNA should be make it avaliable in the future.

            What I’m trying to say, it is the time to move on, and to make the steps of the searching in Y-DNA tests more quick and shorter for new customers in one or two steps by ordering BigY directly or FF test then upgrades to BigY, that will increasing the Y tree faster, and saving the time for all customers, maybe someone will catch a close cousin who did the STR test or even BigY and have good information about the family history before he pass away.

            For example, someone had ancestrydna test 9 years ago, then he found out about Y-dna haplogrup test at FTDNA, so he joined to surname group project and ordered 12Y test only.
            He recevied the result, it was different haplogroup from most members of the group project. at that time he did not know about 12y or STRs result is estemated result. he thought it is corrcet and final result.
            So he pause his research in genelogy. Because it is differant heirtage what his father told him before.

            Now he found out it could be change haplogroup result of STRs after upgrading to BigY. And that is really happened to some people.

            He oredered Big Y and the result of haplogroup changed and found a match who had 111Y since 14 years ago but he died 4 years ago. That match is a man had a lot of verbal information about the history of the family but unfortunately no one from his family now had useful info in geneology like that old man. as his granddaughter mention that in the email.

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