Many people are receiving unexpected sibling matches. Everyday on social media, “surprises” are being reported so often that they are no longer surprising – unless of course you’re the people directly involved and then it’s very personal, life-altering and you’re in shock. Staring at a computer screen in stunned disbelief.
Conversely, sometimes that surprise involves people we already know, love and believe to be full siblings – but autosomal DNA testing casts doubt.
If your sibling doesn’t match at all, download your DNA files and upload to another company to verify. This step can be done quickly.
Often people will retest, from scratch, with another company just for the peace of mind of confirming that a sample didn’t get swapped. If a sample was swapped, then another unknown person will match you at the sibling level, because they would be the one with your sibling’s kit. It’s extremely rare, but it has happened.
If the two siblings aren’t biologically related at all, we need to consider that one or both might have been adopted, but if the siblings do match but are predicted as half siblings, the cold fingers of panic wrap themselves around your heart because the ramifications are immediately obvious.
Your full sibling might not be your full sibling. But how can you tell? For sure? Especially when minutes seem like an eternity and your thoughts are riveted on finding the answer.
This article focuses on two tools to resolve the question of half versus full siblingship, plus a third safeguard.
Half Siblings Versus Step-Siblings
For purposes of clarification, a half sibling is a sibling you share only one parent with, while a step-sibling is your step-parent’s child from a relationship with someone other than your parent. Your step-parent marries your parent but is not your parent. You are not genetically related to your step-siblings unless your parent is related to your step-parent.
Parental Testing
Ideally two people who would like to know if they are full or half siblings would have both parents, or both “assumed” parents to compare their results with. However, life is seldom ideal and parents aren’t always available. Not to mention that parents in a situation where there was some doubt might be reluctant to test.
Furthermore, you may elect NOT to have your parents test if your test with your sibling casts doubt on the biological connections within your family. Think long and hard before exposing family secrets that may devastate people and potentially destroy existing relationships. However, this article is about the science of confirming full versus half siblings, not the ethics of what to do with that information. Let your conscience be your guide, because there is no “undo” button.
Ranges Aren’t Perfect
The good news is that autosomal DNA testing gives us the ability to tell full from half-siblings by comparing the siblings to each other, without any parent’s involvement.
Before we have this discussion, let me be very clear that we are NOT talking about using these tools to attempt to discern a relationship between two more distant unknown people. This is only for people who know, or think they know or suspect themselves to be either full or half siblings.
Why?
Because the ranges of the amount of DNA found in people sharing close family relationships varies and can overlap. In other words, different degrees of relationships can be expected to share the same amounts of DNA. Furthermore, except for parents with whom you share exactly 50% of your autosomal DNA (except males don’t share their father’s X chromosome), there is no hard and fast amount of DNA that you share with any relative. It varies and sometimes rather dramatically.
The first few lines of this Relationship Chart, from the 2016 article Concepts – Relationship Predictions, shows both first and second degree relationships (far right column).
You can see that first degree relations can be parent/child, or full siblings. Second degree relationships can be half siblings, grandparents, aunt/uncle or niece/nephew.
Today’s article is not about how to discern an unknown relation with someone, but how to determine ONLY if two people are half or full siblings to each other. In other words, we’re only trying to discern between rows two and three, above.
As more data was submitted to Blaine Bettinger’s Shared cM Project, the ranges changed as we continued to learn. Blaine’s 2017 results were combined into a useful visual tool at DNAPainter, showing various relationships.
Note that in the 2017 version of the Shared cM Project, the high end of the half sibling range of 2312 overlaps with the low end of the full sibling range of 2209 – and that’s before we consider that the people involved might actually be statistical outliers. Outliers, by their very definition are rare, but they do occur. I have seen them, but not often. Blaine wrote about outliers here and here.
Full or Half Siblings?
So, how to we tell the difference, genetically, between full and half siblings?
There are two parts to this equation, plus an optional third safeguard:
- Total number of shared cM (centiMorgans)
- Fully Identical Regions (FIR) versus Half Identical Regions (HIR)
You can generally get a good idea just from the first part of the equation, but if there is any question, I prefer to download the results to GedMatch so I can confirm using the second part of the equation too.
The answer to this question is NOT something you want to be wrong about.
Total Number of Shared cM
Each child inherits half of each parent’s DNA, but not the same half. Therefore, full siblings will share approximately 50% of the same DNA, and half siblings will share approximately 25% when compared to each other.
You can see the differences on these charts where percentages are converted into cM (centiMorgans) and on the 2017 combined chart here.
I’ve summarized full and half siblings’ shared cMs of DNA from the 2017 chart, below.
| Relationship | Average Shared cM | Range of Shared cM |
| Half Siblings | 1,783 | 1,317 – 2,312 |
| Full Siblings | 2,629 | 2,209 – 3,394 |
Fully Identical and Half Identical Regions
Part of the DNA that full siblings inherit will be the exact same DNA from Mom and Dad, meaning that the siblings will match at the same location on their DNA on both Mom’s strand of DNA and Dad’s strand of DNA. These sections are called Fully Identical Regions, or FIR.
Half siblings won’t fully match, except for very small slivers where the nucleotides just happen to be the same (identical by chance) and that will only be for very short segments.
Half siblings will match each other, but only one parent’s side, called Half Identical Regions or HIR.
Roughly, we expect to see about 25% of the DNA of full siblings be fully identical, which means roughly half of their shared DNA is inherited identically from both parents.
Understanding the Concept of Half Identical Versus Fully Identical
To help understand this concept, every person has two strands of DNA, one from each parent. Think of two sides of a street but with the same addresses on both sides. A segment can “live” from 100-150 Main Street, er, I mean chromosome 1 – but you can’t tell just from the address if it’s on Mom’s side of the street or Dad’s.
However, when you match other people, you’ll be able to differentiate which side is which based on family members from that line and who you match in common with your sibling. This an example of why it’s so important to have close family members test.
Any one segment on either strand being compared between between full siblings can:
- Not match at all, meaning the siblings inherited different DNA from both parents at this location
- Match on one strand but not the other, meaning the siblings inherited the same DNA from one parent, but different DNA from the other. (Half identical.)
- Match identically on both, meaning the siblings inherited exactly the same DNA in that location from both parents. (Fully identical.)
I created this chart to show this concept visually, reflecting the random “heads and tails” combination of DNA segments by comparing 4 sets of full siblings with one another.
This chart illustrates the concept of matching where siblings share:
- No DNA on this segment (red arrow for child 1 and 2, for example)
- Half identical regions (HIR) where siblings share the DNA from one parent OR the other (green arrow for child 1 and 2, for example, where the siblings share brown from mother)
- Fully identical regions (FIR) where they share the same segment from BOTH parents so their DNA matches exactly on both strands (black boxed regions)
If a region isn’t either half or fully identical, it means the siblings don’t match on that piece of DNA at all. That’s to be expected in roughly 50% of the time for full siblings, and 75% of the time for half siblings. That’s no problem, unless the siblings don’t match at all, and that’s entirely different, of course.
Let’s look at how the various vendors address half versus full siblings and what tools we have to determine which is which.
Ancestry
Ancestry predicts a relationship range and provides the amount of shared DNA, but offers no tools for customers to differentiate between half versus full siblings. Ancestry has no chromosome browser to facilitate viewing DNA matches but shared matches can sometimes be useful, especially if other close family members have tested.
Update 4-4-2019 – I was contacted by a colleague who works for an Ancestry company, who provided this information: Ancestry is using “Close Family” to designate avuncular, grandparent/grandchild and half-sibling relationships. If you see “Immediate Family “the relationship is a full sibling.
Customers are not able to view the results for ourselves, but according to my colleague, Ancestry is using FIRs and HIRs behind the scenes to make this designation. The Ancestry Matching White Paper is here, dating from 2016.
If Ancestry changes their current labeling in the future, this may not longer be exactly accurate. Hopefully new labeling would provide more clarity. The good news is that you can verify for yourself at GedMatch.
A big thank you to my colleague!
MyHeritage
MyHeritage provides estimated relationships, a chromosome browser and the amount of shared DNA along with triangulation but no specific tool to determine whether another tester is a full or half sibling. One clue can be if one of the siblings has a proven second cousin or closer match that is absent for the other sibling, meaning the siblings and the second cousin (or closer) do not all match with each other.
Family Tree DNA
At Family Tree DNA, you can see the amount of shared DNA. They also they predict a relationship range, include a chromosome browser, in common matching and family phasing, also called bucketing which sorts your matches into maternal and paternal sides. They offer additional Y DNA testing which can be extremely useful for males.
If the two siblings in question are male, a Y DNA test will shed light on the question of whether or not they share the same father (unless the two fathers are half brothers or otherwise closely related on the direct paternal line).
FamilyTreeDNA provides Advanced Matching tools that facilitate combined matching between Y and autosomal DNA.
FamilyTreeDNA’s Family Finder maternal/paternal bucketing tool is helpful because full siblings should be assigned to “both” parents, shown in purple, not just one parent, assuming any third cousins or closer have tested on both sides, or at least on the side in question.
As you can see, on the test above, the tester matches her sister at a level that could be either a high half sibling match, or a low full sibling match. In this case, it’s a full sibling, not only because both parents tested and she matched, but because even before her parents tested, she was already bucketed to both sides based on cousins who had tested on both the maternal and paternal sides of the family.
GedMatch
GedMatch, an upload site, shows the amount of shared DNA as well. Select the One-to-One matching and the “Graph and Position” option, letting the rest of the settings default.
GedMatch doesn’t provide predicted relationship ranges as such, but instead estimates the number of generations to the most recent common ancestor – in this case, the parents.
However, GedMatch does offer an important feature through their chromosome browser that shows fully identical regions.
To illustrate, first, I’m showing two kits below that are known to be full siblings.
The green areas are FIR or Fully Identical Regions which are easy to spot because of the bright green coloring. Yellow indicate half identical matching regions and red means there is no match.
Please note that this legend varies slightly between the legacy GedMatch and GedMatch Genesis, but yellow, green, purple and red thankfully remain the same. The blue base indicates an entire region that matches, while the grey indicates an entire region not considered a match..
Fully identical green regions (FIR) above are easy to differentiate when compared with half siblings who share only half identical regions (HIR).
The second example, below, shows two half-siblings that share one parent.
As you can see, there are slivers of green where the nucleotides that both parents contributed to the respective children just happen to be the same for a very short distance on each chromosome. Compared to the full sibling chart, the green looks very different.
The half-sibling small green segments are fully identical by chance or by population, but not identical by descent which would mean the segments are identical because the individuals share both parents. These two people don’t share both parents.
The fully identical regions for full siblings are much more pronounced, in addition to full siblings generally sharing more total DNA.
GedMatch is the easiest and most useful site to work with for determining half versus full siblings by comparing HIR/FIR. I wrote instructions for downloading your DNA from each of the testing vendors at the links below:
Twins
Fraternal twins are the same as regular siblings. They share the same space for 9 months but are genetically siblings. Identical twins, on the other hand, are nearly impossible to tell apart genetically, and for all intents and purposes cannot be distinguished in this type of testing.
Here’s the same chart for identical twins.
23andMe
23andMe also provides relationship estimates, along with the amount of shared DNA, a chromosome browser that includes triangulation (although they don’t call it that) and a tool to identify full versus half identical regions. 23andMe does not support trees, a critical tool for genealogists.
Unfortunately, 23andMe has become the “last” company that people use for genealogy. Most of their testers seem to be seeking health information today.
If you just happen to have already tested at 23andMe with your siblings, great, because you can use these tools. If you have not tested at 23andMe, simply upload your results from any vendor to GedMatch.
At 23andMe, under the Ancestry, then DNA Relatives tabs, click on your sibling’s match to view genetic information, assuming you both have opted into matching. If you don’t match your sibling, PLEASE be sure you BOTH have completely opted in for matching. I can’t tell you how many panic stricken siblings I’ve coached who weren’t both opted in to matching. If you’re experiencing difficulty, don’t panic. Simply download both people’s files to GedMatch for an easier comparison. You can find 23andMe download instructions here.
Scrolling down, you can see the options for both half and completely identical segments on your chromosomes as compared to your match. Above, my child matches me completely on half identical regions. This makes perfect sense, of course, because my father and my child’s father are not the same person and are not related.
Conversely, this next match is my identical twin whom I match completely identically on all segments.
Confession – I don’t have an identical twin. This is actually my V3 test compared with my V4 test, but these two tests are in essence identical twin tests.
Unusual Circumstances
The combination of these two tools, DNA matching and half versus fully identical regions generally provides a relatively conclusive answer as to whether two individuals are half or full siblings. Note the words generally and relatively.
There are circumstances that aren’t as clear cut, such as when the father of the second child is a brother or other close relative of the first child’s father – assuming that both children share the same mother. These people are sometimes called three quarters siblings or niblings.
In other situations, the parents are related, sometimes closely, complicating the genetics.
These cases tend to be quite messy and should be unraveled with the help of a professional. I recommend www.dnaadoption.com (free unknown parent search specialists) or Legacy Tree Genealogists (professional genealogists.)
The Final SafeGuard – Just in Case
A third check, should any doubt remain about full versus half siblings, would be to find a relative that is a second cousin or closer on the presumed mother’s side and one on the presumed father’s side, and compare autosomal results of both relatives to both siblings.
There has never been a documented case of second cousins or closer NOT matching each other. I’m unclear about second cousins once removed, or half second cousins, but about 10% of third cousins don’t match. To date, second cousins (or closer) who didn’t match, didn’t match because they weren’t really biological second cousins.
If the two children are full siblings meaning the biological children of both the presumed parents, both siblings will match the 2nd cousin or closer on the mother’s side AND the 2nd cousin or closer on the father’s side as well. If they are not full siblings, one will match only on the second cousin on the common parent’s side.
You can see in the example below that Child 1 and Child 2, full siblings, match both Hezekiah (green), a second cousin from the father’s side, as well as Susan (pink), a second cousin from the mother’s side.
If one of the two children only matches one cousin, and not the other, then the person who doesn’t match the cousin from the father’s side, for example, is not related to the father – although depending on the distance of the relationship, I would seek an additional cousin to test through a different child – just in case.
You can see in the example below that Child 2 matches both Hezekiah (green) and Susan (pink), but Child 1 only matches Susan (pink), from the mother’s side, meaning that Child 1 does not descend from John, so isn’t the child of the Presumed Father (green).
If neither child matches Hezekiah, that’s a different story. You need to consider the possibility of one of the following:
- Neither child is the child of the Presumed Father, and could potentially be fathered by different men
- A break occurred in the genetic line someplace between John and Hezekiah or between John and the Presumed Father.
In other words, the only way this safeguard works as a final check is if at least ONE of the children matches both presumed parents’ lines with a second cousin or closer.
And yes, these types of “biological lineage disruptions” do occur and much more frequently that first believed.
In the End
You may not need this safeguard check when the first and second methodologies, separately or together, are relatively conclusive. Sometimes these decisions about half versus full siblings incorporate non-genetic situational information, but be careful about tainting your scientific information with confirmation bias – meaning unintentionally skewing the information to produce the result that you might desperately want.
When I’m working with a question as emotionally loaded as trying to determine whether people are half or full siblings, I want every extra check and safeguard available – and you will too. I utilize every tool at my disposal so that I don’t inadvertently draw the wrong conclusion.
I want to make sure I’ve looked under every possible rock for evidence. I try to disprove as much as I try to prove. The question of full versus half siblingship is one of the most common topics of the Quick Consults that I offer. Even when people think they know the answer, it’s not uncommon to ask an expert to take a look to confirm. It’s a very emotional topic and sometimes we are just too close to the subject to be rational and objective.
Regardless of the genetic outcome, I hope that you’ll remember that your siblings are your siblings, your parents are your parents (genetic or otherwise) and love is love – regardless of biology. Please don’t lose the compassionate, human aspect of genealogy in the fervor of the hunt.
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My second cousin turned out to be my half second cousin. His grandfather and mine turned out to be half brothers. We thought that when our great grandmother left the family that she had 2 others as the rumor was that 2 were not my great grandfathers. Bu the real story was that the younger 2 were not my great grandfather’s children. My grandfather was the eldest. My dad never was sure what his father meant but DNA was the clincher. I actually feel that the other 2 were lucky as I found out that my great grandfather was unstable. I really envy him in that respect.
Another related and complicating factor is the possibility of 3/4 siblings. I have a situation where I match a paternal first cousin at 1470 cM. With a probability of 96.2% for half sibling, this level is very much outside the range for 1C. I have looked to see if any possible relationship exists between our mothers, but have found no evidence of this going back four generations. Considering the idea of 3/4 siblings, I share no FIR with this cousin and my known siblings do share high levels of FIR with me. My cousin shares high levels of FIR with his sister. She is just above the range for 1C with me.
I think this match is truly an outlier. Our tests were done at Ancestry and he is now testing at FTDNA to see how he matches me there. Uploading his Ancestry results to Gedmatch confirmed this high level of matching.
Hi Roberta, My daughter has two children with her husband and my son has one child whose mother is the sister of my son-in-law. So I guess the kids are double cousins. Might they show up as a sibling match if tested?
Yes, that would probably be the range. Would be interesting to see.
They actually should show up more like half siblings, in terms of the amount of DNA shared. It’s because they share roughly double the amount of 1st cousins — 12.5%, on average — so somewhere around 25%.
However, in a situation in which each set of siblings is of the same sex, this can be different — for example, if either set consist of identical twins (or if both do).
If just one set are identical twins, then I guess the children of the different families would look like 3/4 siblings. If both sets are, then they should look like full siblings.
Is it possible for 1st cousins to not share DNA?
No
Thank you Roberta. I thought I knew the answer, but I wanted to hear it from an expert. Some of our McWhorter line is trying to sort this unexpected result out. I love your blog. You have a way of making all of this DNA information make sense to me. You are amazing and appreciated.
Thank you. Now you have the tools to confirm one way or the other.
for half sisters who share the same father, but have different mothers, they will share a full X Chromosome 99.99% of the time. (the 1% would be extremely rare, but you never know) that is another indicator too.
the X would be from the father un-recombined. i forgot to add that info.
The father only has 1 X to give, of course. Generally, the confusion arises when it’s the same mother and different fathers. 😁
Hi Roberta what about when the if the two first cousins were daughters of brothers? How likely is it that the X chromosome is identical?
The brothers only have one X to give. The one from their mother. So it depends on what they received from her.
Can the test tell if two kids are full sibling or half. If the two men in question are cousins and their dads were identical twins?
That’s beyond the scope of questions I can answer on a blog. It requires analysis. Sorry.
Hi! Could you recommend a site that reveals the x chromosome to determine whether a paternal half sister I’ve been matched to on My Heritage really is my paternal half sister? Based on bad reviews re the confidentially of GED Match I’m hoping there’s another site. Family Tree won’t accept our data as we did the test more than 6 months ago with My Heritage. If we have to pay to do the test again which site would be best to discover the x chromosome match too? I am hoping it is identical and that that means solid proof. Please let me know whether I am wrong to think it would be solid proof! Thank you
Anna, FTDNA does utilize the X and they are the only ones other than GEDMatch that you can transfer to. You don’t need the X to determine that, and not, it’s not a confirmation. There are other variables that need to be considered. I do provide consulting in these types of situations if you are interested in a Quick Consult. https://dna-explained.com/consulting-www-dnaexplain-com/
My youngest sister and I tested at Ancestry. I try to maintain the family tree so she did it mainly for me and to see if we could shed any light on a genetic anemia we both share. What devastation when results showed we were only half sisters, sharing 1718 cm. I stared at the results in disbelief but as soon as I clicked on her matches up popped a 330 cm match with an extensive tree. I recognized names on that tree! I had previously done some genealogy sleuthing for a family friend who was trying to find out information on his father’s side. Well, I had found out a lot about his mother’s side and it was the relatives of his I found there that matched to my sister. Needless to say, it was a very upsetting time for all of our family. Thankfully both of my parents and this friend had already died so we did not have to go through confronting them. However, our sorrow that our mother was not faithful to Dad was deep and I, being the oldest, who thought of Mom almost as a friend as well as mother, has had the hardest time forgiving her. My sister, who actually knows her birth father’s children has decided not to make them aware of their relationship and she has not told any of her children. In her mind, my Dad will always be her Dad. She actually wished I had never told her and it certainly has changed the way I approach people whose tests I manage. I always find out before if they want to know if there is any unforeseen results I might uncover. Although I still like the benefits of DNA, I am more aware possible consequences. This article you have written is a very good resource to finding answers! Thanks for writing it.
I have another related article coming shortly about the women involved.
Sandra, I also want to say that I feel for your family. I’ve been in those shoes and it’s very distressing.
Thanks Roberta. It is sad that there are so many of us that have had to deal with this situation. Hopefully generations to follow will have less chance of these unexpected findings with a more liberal society and ease of divorce etc. but it might be worse with several children sired by different partners.
Genius. I know I’ve told you this before, but I am amazed by your intelligence — and by your great generosity in sharing and explaining these things.I
I hope you are writing a book.
Thank you, but I think the blog “is” the book.
You almost had me at “my twin.” Stinker!
🙂
I share 333 cMs across 19 DNA segments with a 1st cousin named “T”. I have not told “T” that there is an issue yet until I can wrap my head around it or prove something. Too low to be a 1st cousin on most charts but could be a half 1st cousin? My father has passed and “T” has asked his mother who is 80 years old to test. She is confused by DNA and sees no reason to test. Don’t want to tell her why we need her to test to avoid a cricis that may not be true. “T” and I have matches on both sides of the expected/known parents but “T” has only a very small hand full. I have many more matches to the descendants of the sisters of my grandfather than he does. A red flag? We share a 3C1R match with the paternal great grandmother’s sister. There is only one other male, the brother of my Grandfather who could bring about that match. What could I be missing?
Sometimes just asking an older person if they will test to help you is all it takes.
Roberta,
Wow…what an awesome blog! You definitely have given me alot to think about. Especially on this subject definitely. Just in awe by it all in what you have said on this subject of Siblings and Half Siblings.
I have test three of my 1st cousins and when I got back the results on one of the brothers, it hit hard when I saw the results of one because of the closeness he was to my brother. Yes I too got into a panic…lol…have since then calm down now, but it really had me thinking about my Father and yes he was a player.
Both me and my brother really think that the possibility of having half Siblings out there is great. And knowing that my Father has half Siblings out there too because he was adopted by my Grandmother’s Husband when he was 3 yrs old. The only half Siblings of my Father that I do know are my 2 Aunts and 1 uncle and those are my Grandparents children (my grandmother is their mother). So yes I am still search for my biological Grandfather and his family. I do have a surname and that is a start and that is because I tested my brother on the y.
As for my Father’s actual adoption I have found nothing and I am not sure there is even a birth certificate either. My Grandmother and her parents (my great Grandparents) went to extremes to cover it up…considering this all took place after my Father was born (1937) to when my grandmother married my grandfather in 1941. Only real proof was in the 1940 census and then even my Grandmother lied on that too…my grandmother was a very liar and story teller…lol. let’s put it this way my Grandmother and her parents put an article in the paper stating that my Father’s Biological Father was killed in an explosion…yes that is pretty extreme to hide that fact that my Father was born out of wedlock. That is another quest of mine is to find that article.
Yes thank you for writing this article definitely will help me in my journey to find the truth
Cindy Carrasco
Roberta,
Nope my biological Grandfather didn’t die in explosion either…just a lie my Grandmother and her parents fabricated
My youngest son has a high relationship to my dad, and reminds me of dad. FTDNA predicted full brother to the correct grandson relationship 2002 cM shared and longest block at 176. His real brother (these two of my sons) were 2414 cM and 180 longest block. This bit closer genetic relationship of my youngest to my dad makes him often appear a step closer to various cousins than reality. MyHeritage have my son and dad 28% shared and my sons only about 33 or 35% shared DNA and they are very different in height and appearance and temperament. I am starting to believe DNA accounts for a great deal of our likes and dislikes as well.
Such a good post Roberta. Clear, and humane.
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Just the topic I need, the week I need it!
Excellent post.
So many people are reporting surprise evaluations as half-sibling on the new systems at AncestryDNA. They need to be very careful before announcing these results to family.
Your guidance on using GEDmatch is really helpful. Thank you.
Roberta,
I found your blog today and am truly amazed at your depth of knowledge, writing style, and your generosity in sharing this information with others.
I recently learned by taking a genealogical test that my dad is not my biological dad and would like to find my biological father who appears to be 100 percent Saudi Arabian. I’ve taken tests at Ancestry DNA, 23andMe, Family Tree DNA, My Heritage DNA and Living DNA. Family Tree DNA has produced numerous Middle Eastern relatives, and a common surname appears. Many more of the matches are also in Arabic, which I am unable to read. My question for you is this: are you able to partner with genealogists abroad to produce your genealogy reports? I’d like to purchase a report but I’m really only interested in my Middle Eastern background in hopes that it leads to my biological father. Is this something you can do or do you have a recommendation for someone who specializes in Saudi Arabian heritage?
Through Family Tree DNA, I have found a distant cousin (third cousin) who is willing to assist. They’ve expressed how unfortunate it is that I an not able to take the Y-DNA test (because I am not a male) as this would make the process easier. I don’t understand why a Y-DNA test would be necessary in my case as all of my Saudi Arabian matches are, de facto, on my paternal side.
I would appreciate any direction you could provide, Roberta.
Warmly,
Amber
No, Amber, I don’t do genealogical research. I do genetic interpretation of results. The Y chromosome would potentially point directly to a patrilineal line – and in conjunction with autosomal, perhaps a relevant match. Look at where your mother was at the time of your conception. I also recommend http://www.dnaadoption.com.
Roberta,
Would half-siblings who are also 1st cousins share more DNA than the average half-sibling? After getting back Ancestry DNA results we believe my grandmother had an affair with her brother-in-law (her husband’s brother). The 2 oldest siblings are listed as full siblings to each other and the 2 younger siblings are listed as full siblings to each other but close family to the others.
I uploaded the raw DNA data of 3 of the siblings, the oldest and the 2 youngest to GEDMATCH. The shared cm for each was similar to Ancestry but the 2 full siblings do share stretches of FIR DNA with the oldest brother who is listed in the half-sibling range of shared DNA (1,795 cm and 1,915 cm to the younger siblings).Is this because they are 1st cousins as well as half-siblings?
Any insights you could give would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Hi Sommer. This type of consulting is best handled privately in a Quick Consult. Here’s the link if you are interested: https://dna-explained.com/consulting-www-dnaexplain-com/
No thank you, I just wanted a yes or know answer to would 1st cousins/half-siblings share more dna than just half-siblings. I’m not going to pay $100 for that.
My husband was recently told that the man he thought was his father growing up wasn’t. His mom has passed and he has no one to ask. He did an ancestry DNA test and it shows a Close Family-First Cousin match with 1,700 cM across 50 segments. The man’s daughter is showing up as 1st-2nd cousin 701 cM across 25 segments. A DNA angel told us that this person is a half brother. We contacted him and he says “no way, and believes they may be first cousins.” I am wondering which is more likely?
You’ll have to utilize other methods to make that determination.
Hi Roberta, I noticed someone in a FB group say something about a sibling test, I have heard that these are not good. I’m trying to find something to share with her to help her out but not having any luck, do you know of anything? Your help is appreciated. Thank you
Hi, I have a question: I did the dna testing on Ancestry and it showed I had an unexpected half brother, Shared DNA: 1,555 cM across 47 segments. The problem I have is that our Father’s ancestry is the match but he doesn’t show up as having 1% Native American as I do and it has to have come from my Father’s side. All of the other “regions” for locations for where both of us are from match. Is this possible?
Absolutely. 1% can be noise and if it is accurate, your half sibling might not have inherited that segment from the same parent.
Hi Roberta: I got matched with a 1st cousin through 23 and Me that I didn’t now I had. I don’t know who my father is, and this 1st cousin and I share 508 cm. Is is possible for us to be 1/2 siblings at all, because his father has said he doesn’t have a brother and there are no other Uncles in his family. I would think the only alternative is that we share a father. My mother has already admitted to an indiscretion with a gentleman that is’nt my sister’s father who she created a deception for 57 Years that he was my dad. I appreciate you time.
Would you be Y DNA matches? That would help.
Also, I don’t do sibling consulting or consulting of that type via blog comments due to the fact that there is often more involved and the necessity of providing an accurate response given the sensitivity and importance of the subject. I would refer you to the cM tool at DNAPainter in this case.
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I have a situation – I have an Ancestry DNA Match of 1,229 centimorgans shared across 48 DNA segments. The percentage stated is: 24% grandparent grandchild half-sibling aunt/uncle niece/nephew. My extensive research has pointed to it only being a half-sibling. I have looked at all the DNA charts and know the centimorgans is low for a half-sibling. My birth father has stated he had a relationship with a woman who has my mother’s name and nationality. I have a 1st cousin match as 791 centimorgans shared across 42 DNA segments. All my birth father’s brothers cannot be my father – also due to research I have done. Is it still possible that this match can indeed be my half-brother? The only other possibility is my grandfather had a secret son that noone knows about ? It is driving me crazy ….thank you.
Hi Marie. I’m sorry, but I don’t do relationship consulting in the blog comments. Especially not on something thus critical.
Thank you for replying.
You’re welcome. I do Quick Consults for people which provides for up to an hour of time if you’re interested. https://dna-explained.com/store/
Would a DNA from my niece state if my brother, her father, is my full or half brother?
It does nor state it per say, but it can probably be determined.
If I did a private lab dna test (I’m female)with a male that is either my 1/2 sibling sharing a father or my 1st cousin ? Would that work for an answer. I know that one of the two men in question is my birth father so it would be either this guys father or his uncle that would be my birth father. And this male either 1/2 sibling or 1st cousin is willing to do the test so that we can figure our relationship out. Thank you so much for any info on sorting this out.
Hello Roberta,
I share 22.3% and 1661 cM DNA with my sibling. We are half identical across 22 chromosomes aside from the X chromosome which has completely identical. I assume this makes us half-siblings with the same mother. Can you confirm?
Thanks so much!
Hi Jennifer, Given the personal and emotional nature of sibling requests, I don’t do them without viewing the data, and not outside of consultations.
i apologize if this has been asked before can full siblings have different 2nd cousins or should both siblings be related
Yes, but, the level of cousins may not have been calculated correctly by someone. Also, once removed matters.
Hi Liz. If you’re interested, I provide consulting on these types of questions. A Quick Consult is what I’d recommend. I really need specifics about the situation and to look at the data before answering these types of questions. The answers are so important. https://dna-explained.com/consulting-www-dnaexplain-com/
If you don’t have access to more than the percentages and regions: Is it possible to be full siblings if you only share 29% DNA? Seems to me like full siblings would share 50% (+-5%) and half siblings 25% (+-5%). Are these numbers a lock or does it have to be further investigated?
The numbers in this article are accurate. I do provide individual consultations if you are interested. https://dna-explained.com/store/
23andMe has indicated that my brother is a half sibling through our mom. They told my brother that he has a half sibling through our mom, but that sister does not show up in my 23andme genetic relatives. Would you please explain how we can all have the same mom, but she does not show up in my genetic relatives?
I’m sorry but, I don’t answer these type of critical questions without seeing the results for all parties involved. If you wish a private consultation, you can order a quick consult here: https://dna-explained.com/store/
Doing further research, I have found that my brother and the other sister share the same dad but different moms. He and I share the same mom, but different dads. Thank you for your response.
That makes sense.
So is it true that 1,925 cm’s across 48 segments would be half siblings & not full Siblings or could this be a low rang for full siblings?
I’m sorry Christi, I don’t do this type of consulting through blog comments.
Question? My brother and I have been contacted by a man saying that his father is our father. To make it more complicated his mother and our mother were sisters. My question is how accurate will a dna test be to show if we indeed have the same father, when our mothers are sisters? Also what dna test should we take?
This is not easy and I can’t do it without diagraming.
hi roberta. through ancestry, i recently helped my dad at an old age to find out that he had siblings, and who his previously unknown father was. the dna we found a match to were to 2nd cousins, and after phone calls to them, finally led me to a story where my dad’s half-siblings knew they had a half brother with my dad’s exact name. now we want to get my father’s father’s name on his birth certificate, which requires a court order. all parents and grandparents are deceased with no DNA saved. we have a willing half sister to take dna test. this half sister has 2 living full siblings, a female and male. the 2nd female might be able to be coaxed in required, and the male they are not optimistic about participating. what kind of testing do you suggest to get enough evidence to have a shot at court? also not sure where to go for certified legal/ state accredited place to do this. thanks so much!!!
You need to ask these questions of an attorney.
my children who have the same parents have said they have done a dna test and the results came back as they share roughly 25% but I know for a fact they have the same father, what’s going on, is it possible for full sibling to show as half siblings even though they have the same dad?
Where are you looking at this data? And where did they test. Look at their FIR regions.
Hello, we are doing research on my husband’s line and found his sister only matched with 28% with him and there was another person that is not in our family that also matched 26%. She is trying to connect that person to a cousin or 1st cousin once removed through her grandmother but that seems too far back to me for 26%. I am reading it as half siblings with both. Is there any way 26% could be a 1st cousin and any way 28% could be a full sibling? Thank you. Very informative article.
I refer people to DNAPainter tools for comparisons like this.
You’ll love this. So, I’m adopted. A girl who’s 20 years younger than me was matched as my “cousin”. Since i have a half sister on 23andme I was able to determine that she would a paternal cousin. Except, it was physically and logically an impossiblity. Then I checked the autosomal chart and saw that “cousin” is the same as “half-niece”… her mother was my half-sister! It took a while to convince them we could not possibly be cousins and that it made a lot of sense if we were half siblings. But, 23andme is not going to guess “half-sibling” the safer guess would be “cousin”
Hi just received a report from 23 and me that a sibling is a half sibling. We are both females. Is a male needed to determine if this is true? Also it stated that to get a more current DNA history I should update and buy a new kit that has better results. Could this be a determining factor of the current results?
No, a make us not needed. A new kit isn’t going to change those results. 23andMe is quite accurate. Check to see if you have any fully identical segments. That’s the determining factor. I wrote about this in a more recent article just recently.
Could you please tell me how much my grandson would have with my half brothers daughter?
Thank you, very informative article. It answered a few questions I have. Children are innocent.
Hi Roberta,
Great Blog, though I’m not sure I fully understand.
In 2015 I found out I had an elder brother, we have the same mother. We did a DNA test and the results came back as follow:
Full-sibship index for Gerald and Mary is 3.37 (probability of relatedness as full siblings =77.1%)
Half-sibship index for Gerald and Mary is 55.49 (probability of relatedness as half=siblings = 98.2%)
My daughter now says she believes Gerald is my ‘full’ brother. I’m not sure and wondered if you would be able to help me understand.
Many thanks
Mary
That’s a different type of test and they are much less reliable than the autosomal tests available today from Ancestry, FamilyTreeDNA, MyHeritage and 23andMe. Take one of those which will be definitive.
Thank you. I’ll arrange that.
Hi I wonder if you could possible advise – before my Dad passed away he told me I have a half elder sister first nation Canadian, we are Scottish. I am trying to figure out where to start to try and find this person . I have written letters to all of the folks that he had in his old address book in Canada and hoping someone csn shed some light – but s it possile trace by birth records ? any help to know how to start would be appreciated thanks Linda B