This ancient DNA truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Today, Felix Chandrakamur e-mailed me and told me that the Anzick results were not yet fully processed at Gedmatch when I performed a “compare to all.” He knows this because he knows when he uploaded the results, and after they were finished, he ran the same compare and obtained vastly different results. I am updating my original article to point to this one, so the data will be accurately reflected.
In fact, the results are utterly fascinating, take your breath away kind of fascinating. Felix wrote an article about his findings, Clovis-Anzick-1 ancient DNA have matches with living people!
While finding what appear to be contemporary matches for the Anzick child may sound ho-hum, it’s not, and when you look at the results and the message they hold for us, it’s absolutely astounding.
Felix ran his comparison with default values of 7cM. This is the threshold that is typically utilized as the line in the sand between “real” and IBS, matches – real meaning the results are and could be, if you could find your common ancestor, genealogically relevant. In this case, that clearly isn’t true.
The exception to this rule is heavily admixed groups, such as Ashkenazi Jewish people who are related to every other Askhenazi Jewish person autosomally. It seems, looking at these results, that this is the same situation we find with the 12,500 year old Anzick child and currently living people. This population had to be painfully small for a very long time and the DNA had to exist in every person within that population group for it to be passed in segments this large to people living today.
After receiving Felix’s e-mail, of course, I had to go back and run the compares again. In particular, I wanted to run the one to many, as he had.
I began at the 1cM level and noticed that I received exactly 1500 results, which seemed to me like a cutoff – not an actual number of matches. So, I upped that threshold to 2, then 3, then 4, then 5, then 6, then finally to the default of 7. It was only at 7, the IBS/IBD default, that the results were under the 1500 threshold, at 1466.
1466 current matches?????
This is absolutely amazing. The Anzick child lived about 12,500 years ago in Montana. How are 1466 matches to currently living people possible?
Many of these matches are to people from the southwest and Mexico today. They are not, for the most part, from eastern Canada.
Let’s take a look at what we found.
In the 1466 results, as Felix mentioned, the closest matches match at current “cousin” levels to Anzick. The highest 7 matches that show haplogroups are haplogroup Q1a3a. Unfortunately, with the constant renaming of the haplogroups recently, it’s difficult to interpret the haplogroup exactly, which is why we’ve gone to SNP names. Looking at some of the names and e-mails, several appear to carry Spanish surnames or be from Mexico or South America.
Of the 1466 results:
- 2 were Y haplogroup C
- 79 were Y haplogroup Q
- 520 carried a mitochondrial DNA haplogroup of A, B, C, D, M or X
- Of the 79 haplogroup Q carriers, 52 also carried a Native mitochondrial haplogroup.
- A total 549 individuals out of 1466 carried at least one Native American haplogroup, or about 37.5%. That’s amazingly high.
Of these closest matches who are Y haplogroup Q, they also all carry variant Native American mitochondrial DNA haplogroups as well, so these people may not be heavily admixed. In other words, they may be almost “pure” Native American.
In order to test this theory, I entered the number of the kit that rated the highest in terms of total cM at 160.1 with the largest segment at 14.8. You can click on the images to enlarge.
As you can see, this individual is very nearly 100% Native American.
The second individual on the list, who may be from Guatemala, also carries almost no admixture.
Of the highest 21 matches that listed any haplogroup information, all have either or both Native Y or mitochondrial DNA haplogroups.
Out of curiosity, I ran the first person on the list who had neither a Native American Y or mitochondrial haplogroup – both being European.
As you can see, below, they are still clearly heavily Native American, but clearly admixed.
I moved to the last person of the 1466 on this list whose DNA matched at a total of 7cM, who did not carry a Native haplogroup. This individual, below, is more heavily admixed.
Lastly, I ran the same admixture tool on the last person, who had a total of 7cM matching that did have a Native American mitochondrial haplogroup.
Not surprisingly, the individual with almost no non-Native admixture is much more likely to carry the ancient segments in higher percentages than the individuals who are admixed. This again strongly suggests that at one point, these segments were present in an entire group of Native people and may still be present in very high numbers in people who carry no admixture.
Out of curiosity, and assuming that these first two individuals are not known to be related to each other, I ran them against each other in a one to one comparison.
There were no matches at the default values, but by dropping them just a little, to 5cM and 500 SNPs, they match on 6 segments.
It looks like they should match on chromosome 17 at the 700 SNP/7 cM default threshold.
At 200 SNPs and 2cM, there were 67 segments. These are clearly ancient in nature and size, but matching just the same. By lowering the threshold to 100 SNPs and 1cM, they share a whopping 990 segments.
Indeed, these two men very clearly share a lot of population specific DNA from the ancient people of the New World, including that of Anzick male child who lived in Montana 12,500 years ago.
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I had a lot of fun playing around with all the ancient samples today. Even with Western European ancestry, I was still able to find some interesting segments at lower SNPs.
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Roberta, I ran Clovis in the are your parents related?? They definitely were. My kit at 400 comes up with some f140804 at 100 and 1 it is many.
I also ran eye color they were Blue???? on kit F999912.
I have found eye color to be a bit unreliable. Having said that, it’s certainly a fascinating possibility???
Reading the “fine print,” it sounded like F999912 was missing a lot of the SNPs used to predict eye color. (I noticed that after I ran the Russian neanderthal and it came out with these unusual lavender eyes.)
My grandson is on the list. His father is from Mexico. The admixture tools come back with only 13% Native American so I was surprised to see him so high on the list
Thank you so much for posting this. My son, adopted from Guatemala, is #3 on the list.Can you post what admixture tool you used for the comparisons? I’m pretty new to all of this, and would like to run the same too with my son’s data.
I used MDLP K23B
Fascinating, even to us non-scientific types. And, certainly puts a new light on the power of autosomal DNA.
I tried comparing one to one with any Navajo names I could find on the one to many. Begay and Yazzie are the 2 most common. So far no matches at the 700/7 setting.
Hi Roberta,
Thanks for another great article. Like just about every other reader of your blog, the first thing I did was go onto Gedmatch and compare my own results against all the ancient samples. I was hoping you might help in interpreting my results.
My greatest match was with the Clovis-Anzick child. Using 200 SNP and 1cM limits I had 89.5 cM and 10,072 SNPs, the largest segment being 4.4 cM (my gedmatch number is M083216). The thing is, my known ancestry is all British Isles for the last 200 years. Pretty much all of my ancestors at that point were “Ag Labs” (Agricultural Labourers) living in small communities (sort of proto-British). At that point I assumed that these results were the result of background noise (IBS). As a comparison I therefore checked my (German) wife’s DNA against the Anzick child. She came back with with much lower matches (actually only 1, 5.2 cM and 273 SNPs).
So what do you think is going on here, have I hidden native-American ancestry, or do European populations (sometimes) carry a common DNA from a shared ancestor of the Anzick child ?
Many thanks,
Phil
PS. Personally I suspect the child was part of a British search party off to claim the Americas as British Colonies 😉
Probably common Asian populations, but we’re still sorting through this.
In the Supplement that anyone can download at http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7487/full/nature13025.html it says “15.3 The Anzick-1 individual shares more recent history with Central and South Americans than Northern Amerinds and a Yaqui individual from Mexico”
In the Admixture presented by the studies authors at http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7487/images/nature13025-sf3.jpg it shows the Anzick individual to be most closely related to Mayans.
It sure would be nice if they would update their study to include the Indian populations in the Moreno et al study published in Science 13 June 2014. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/344/6189/1280.full.html
Felix has another article. http://www.fc.id.au/2014/09/ancient-amerindian-dna-how-valid-are.html
Hello:
I ran my kit (F292491) against Clovis Anzick, and got a lot of shared segments when I dropped the threshold to 200/2. Largest segment 4.3, but matches on every chromosome.
My ancestry is mostly European, but a small bit West African and slightly more Native American. My Native ancestors, that I know of, were Chalakatha (Shawnee), Kaskaskia (Illini), and Cherokee–I have one female ancestor on record from each. All of those are more eastern peoples, though, unlikely to be that closely related to Central Americans.
Would this also be likely to be due to ancient Asian matches, I wonder?
Sheryl LeSage
@Sheryl LeSage
I ran all of mine as well, only have two chromosome matches with Montana Anzak but looking at your kit number compared to mine, we are related at the smallest settings.
My kit number is M062741
I do know of documented ancestry from the Monacan tribe of Virginia during the Colonial Era.
Me too. My ancestors were Johns out of Goochland Va. so just as easily Buffalo Ridge though some were in Prince George Va.
“ii. John2, born about 1777, registered as a free Negro in Goochland County on 5 May 1806: a free man of color about twenty eight or thirty years of age, five feet ten inches and three quarters high, dark yellow complexion…straight black hair and was free born [Register of Free Negroes, p.13, no.29]. He was a “Mulatto” taxable in Goochland County from 1804 to 1815 [PPTL, 1782-1809, frames.”
For Sher LeSage;
It is interesting that your Native American is Chalakatha, Kaskaskia and Cherokee. During the Beaver Wars ca 1675, one group of Shawnees left the upper Ohio and settled at LaSalle’s Fort St. Louis at Starved Rock, about 60 miles southwest of Chicago portage. They went there to get away from the Iroquois. In 1688, at least the Pekowi wandered to the southeast for about three years and wound up with their cousins along the Suwannee River. One can make a good guess that they carried “Illini Blood” along with them. In the early summer of 1692, the same group showed up in Cecil County Maryland near what was to be Baltimore, but did not say, settling on the Potomac River near Cumberland latter that summer.
I know only a little about the Beaver Wars. I know that my Kaskaskia ancestor was with a group of people, probably from 4 or 5 tribes, that had settled on the Illinois River after being displaced by the Iroquois. They then moved down to Kaskaskia with the French and set up a town next to the French town of the same name in the very late 1600’s. That is on my father’s side.
My Chalakatha ancestor is on my mother’s side, and was not born until about 1725 in Ohio. I know nothing about her at all except that she came from that nation and married one of my male ancestors.
(The Cherokee ancestor is just a guess; she was adopted into an Anglo family. But supposedly a family Bible exists that lists her by her Cherokee/Tsalagi name, along with her brothers and sisters and parents. I have not been able to confirm this, though.)
This is an absolutely amazing post — I’m still trying to understand the implications for American “pre”-history. Also gives a different perspective on some of our really old DNA. Gayel
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I sent Felix my phased kit, my father has significant Native American ancestry and Felix has since updated his blog with the results. If there was contamination causing the high level of relatively recent matches I find it interesting the contamination was from a contemporary individual with such strong Native American ancestry himself. What is known about the researchers who handled the child’s remains? Was the team selected from a group of Indigenous Guatemalans from a remote village? I’m biased, but I think it’s possible these segments became fixed due to genetic drift.
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I also found it implausible that if there was contamination that we would have people from northern Mexico (Chihuahua, Durango, San Luis Potosí), central Mexico (Jalisco), southern Mexico (Puebla), Guatemala, a person from Peru, and a person from Bolivia all matching the person that caused the contamination at above 7cM and sometimes matching each other with triangulation. I have found other people that can be triangulated on other than what Felix has shown.
If contamination really is the cause that person’s family sure did get around in the past 6-10 generations (different parts of Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, and Peru) and we were very lucky to have a high number of their descendants to have tested and uploaded to Gedmatch. I highly doubt that is what happened. After a couple of emails with tellthejourney I have to agree with her assessment that this mystery is due to genetic drift. For the genetic drift to appear all the way from North America to Peru means it happened a long time ago, a lot longer than the past century as Felix has suggested.
It sure would be nice to see more shared segments between parent. child and F999912 Clovis Anzick 1. I hope some of the people that match at 7cM can get more of their relatives to test and upload to Gedmatch.
My adopted son from Guatemala is #3 on the list. We don’t know much about his biological family. However, we do have some close 23andme matches, some of whom are also on Gedmatch. Would these be useful?
If they are already on GedMatch, then they would have shown up as matches already if they are.
Unfortunately that isn’t as useful. I was referring more to siblings, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, great-aunts, and great uncles, and in the rare case one of them is living a great-grandparent.
You are a wonderful person for adopting him.
These results, finding “what appear to be contemporary matches for the Anzick child”, seemed very counter-intuitive to me, so I asked John Olson of GEDMatch to look under the hood a bit more. It turns out the the ancient DNA sequence has many no-calls, which are treated as universal matches for segment analysis. Another factor which should be examined is whether some of the matching alleles are simply the variants with the highest frequency in all populations. If so, that would also lead to spurious matching segments. It may not be appropriate to apply tools developed for genetic genealogy to ancient DNA sequences like this without a more thorough examination of the underlying data.
Hi Ann, Did you ask John about the other kits as well. They aren’t having as many matches. Does this mean they had better coverage than the Anzick kit?
I would also like to know the answer to that. I also tried to use tools that analyze the autosomal data and have an option to not treat no-calls as matching SNPs such as David Pikes Search for Shared DNA Segments in Two Raw Data Files or Felix’s Autosomal Segment Analyzer but I was not able to get them to work. Then I tried Felix’s Genetic Genealogy Kit. The results from Felix’s Genetic Geneaology Kit match what I get on Gedmatch between a file I was provided and the autosomal data file of the Anzick individual that Felix has on his site. Total autosomal segments 25.41 cM and Longest 7.42 cM. That is even after NoCalls Limit is 1.
Another thing I did was run my own FTDNA file through DIYDodecadWrapper_1_3 which provides the amount of no-calls and absent SNPs. It has 615 no-calls 2,173 absent SNPs. None of the ancient DNA files are reporting no-calls. Anzick 85,148 absent SNPs. Mal’ta 64,977 absent SNPs. Paleo-Eskimo 16,443 absent SNPs.
What I’ve done might not provide anything substantial but I am trying to use everything that could possibly be of use.
I am hoping for a definitive answer of what is going on by a group of experts. It might not be until we get some more ancient Native American DNA that we’ll be able to figure this out.
I wonder if the autosomal files of the Colombians, Karitiana, Surui, Maya, and Pima individuals in HGDP are available for download. Then we would be able to do a one to one comparison with them. That way I could see how the individual Mayans compare with the Peruvian and the Bolivian and how the individual Surui and Karitiana compare with the Mexicans and Guatemalans on a one to one basis.
It appears that Felix uploaded just the SNPs with results, which is sensible, but it means there will be no no-calls to investigate.
In the meantime, you can run the ancient DNA kits against themselves to see how many SNPs are included. An FTDNA Family Finder test will run about 695,000.
F999913 – 429,159 Clovis Anzick-1
F999906 – 827,535 Palaeo Eskimo
F999902 – 682,866 Altai Neanderthal
F999909 – 20,725 Mezmaiskaya Neanderthal
F999903 – 682,614 Denisova
Ann, Felix has a new post about detailed SNP-by-SNP analysis of BAM file results of chromosome 3 of Anzick compared to those of kit# F334678 (Robin Frisella) who matches at 6.7 cM and 630 SNPs and according to him the match is valid.
http://www.fc.id.au/2014/10/clovis-anzick-dna-match-snp-by-snp.html
It’s hard for me to accept that the radiocarbon dating of Anzick was erroneous or that there was contamination because the Admixture results and PCA plots would show a more European result. He uses the matches as a reason to claim the specimen is not ancient or there was contamination but I am finding a lot of false matches with people in Gedmatch. This causes me to believe that there is still something wrong about how the matching is done although all of the matches to Anzick do have a significant amount of Native American ancestry. It is unlikely that a full Native American caused contamination.
LBK Stuttgart also has matches with living people http://www.fc.id.au/2014/10/linearbandkeramik-lbk-ancient-dna.html
Loschbour also has matches with living people http://www.fc.id.au/2014/10/loschbour-ancient-dna-matches-living.html
The above two have different MLDP K23b Calculator results. If the specimens were contaminated it was by people that are very different from modern people with European ancestry which is very unlikely.
Do you have any thoughts on the matter taking into consideration his new posts and my input?
Mine at 5
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
17 20049781 28991792 7.5 328
20 9922732 12609944 5.7 206
20 57419680 58762495 5.7 142
Largest segment = 7.5 cM
Total of segments > 5 cM = 18.8 cM
i found it interesting that my mom’s dna kit showed up in the middle of the list , considering majority of the top matches are from central and south america, and my mom’s parents are from jerez,zacatecas, mexico so she most likely wouldn’t have mayan ancestry since the maya didn’t live near there.
her kit is A146902
Hello!
My husband also matches the Clovis kit (he’s Mexican) and also matches your mother. See results below – my husband’s grandparents hail from Penjamo and Fresnillo, Mexico. Fascinating stuff!
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 169,485,343 173,550,104 2.7 843
3 119,985,125 124,693,754 3.1 1,093
7 134,347,280 137,462,408 4.3 752
11 106,954,232 110,775,438 3.4 762
16 64,850,458 69,329,688 1.8 762
22 24,613,020 26,122,500 6.4 725
Largest segment = 6.4 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 21.8 cM
sorry i didn’t see this response until now, but he could be distantly related since fresnillo is kinda near jerez
Felix has replaced the Anzick file with F999913
http://www.fc.id.au/2014/09/uploaded-new-gedmatch-kit-for-clovis.html
He has also uploaded the La Braña ancient DNA.
http://www.y-str.org/2014/09/la-brana-arintero-dna.html
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Linda on Oct.6, 14 said
I have found that I match F999914, F999915 and F999916. I also match F999913
GEDmatch.Com X-DNA Comparison
Comparing Kit M171859 (*ljwc)(F) and F999913 (Clovis Anzick-1)(M)
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
X 48354614 53269335 3.3 200
Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 3.3 cM Actual.
Comparison took 0.02899 seconds.
I matched F999913 from the second Chromosome to the X Chromosome. Unfortunately gebmatch is not working properly and I can’t log on. I am having such a great time companioning my DNA.
Although I am researching to discover the meaning of all of this new information, I just want to thank you.
I have found that I match F999913 from the second Chromosome to the X chromosome. I also match F999914, F999915 and F9999916. But unfortunately gebmatch.com continues to go down in the middle using it. I was able to use F999913 and here on the findings, I was also able to 300 SNps and have the same result as below.
GEDmatch.Com X-DNA Comparison
Comparing Kit M171859 (*ljwc)(F) and F999913 (Clovis Anzick-1)(M)
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
X 48354614 53269335 3.3 200
Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 3.3 cM Actual.
Comparison took 0.02899 seconds.
Hi. I’m trying to find out about how do I go about getting a blood test to prove my Indian heritage? Please Email me with suggestions. I live in L.A Ca. My ancestors are Cherokee tribe from Oklahoma. I have a couple of names. Please help me.
I wrote about that at this link: http://dna-explained.com/2012/12/18/proving-native-american-ancestry-using-dna/
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my father’s haplogroups are
Q m 3 and
B 4’5
is it possible to find out what tribes he might be?
Not from just that alone. Has he tested the Y STR markers and the full sequence mito as well?
My kit doesn’t match at the parameters set, but if I change it I get this:
GEDmatch.Com Autosomal Comparison
Comparing Kit F999919 (Clovis, Montana, 12.5ky) and F399678 (*Sue)
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 17374485 18039982 1.8 236
1 26619394 28158240 1.0 277
1 32083922 34042774 1.4 410
1 37907193 38601811 1.7 204
1 39212125 40231507 1.5 204
1 66785643 67745023 1.4 219
1 98677628 99729388 1.1 221
1 102318599 104303856 1.4 253
1 171377576 173255359 1.0 239
1 180845658 182100684 1.4 244
1 187027982 189170225 1.2 316
1 199317191 199978327 1.6 310
1 226105022 227226266 1.1 260
1 230500466 231151367 1.1 212
1 234474088 235195003 2.4 220
2 106792308 109345648 2.6 530
2 125386035 127170171 1.9 249
2 130794737 133056823 3.1 268
2 137883408 139253731 1.3 270
2 174187250 175291466 1.4 230
2 192758287 195677162 1.6 284
2 196774134 198696632 1.4 293
2 218855489 220330082 2.4 344
2 225418170 226598301 1.0 202
3 14421549 15167866 1.2 281
3 67768689 69054550 1.2 275
3 102218807 103868846 1.1 278
3 140517317 141607144 1.1 315
4 2529788 3719953 1.9 256
4 78162195 79322711 1.0 224
4 97863899 99746595 1.3 209
4 102822351 104676847 1.2 325
4 106929032 108744577 1.5 247
4 108821511 110439833 1.7 278
4 146440252 148221022 1.9 315
4 169204051 170240054 1.3 274
5 1844180 2674228 3.1 359
5 74185234 75340248 2.0 232
5 87103933 89016396 1.4 207
5 101816054 103095233 1.0 206
5 110906451 111916847 1.0 251
5 116447410 117821408 1.4 268
5 134642914 135521973 1.1 248
5 139497745 141258742 2.5 382
5 163277626 164945445 2.6 310
6 570835 1239104 2.4 252
6 42613094 43909856 3.0 302
6 98316070 99766523 1.1 200
6 105342668 106353351 1.6 211
6 106902024 107555373 1.3 240
7 1186531 2899721 2.4 391
7 12510582 13242653 1.3 222
7 29519508 30778271 2.6 306
7 37868015 38622283 1.1 251
7 43342735 44520351 1.6 221
7 71527402 73341172 1.5 211
7 135571170 136722636 1.3 220
8 3612500 4058678 1.2 335
8 17593773 18074257 1.0 232
8 23949687 25530628 1.2 361
8 27187737 27892336 1.1 329
8 37105322 38599686 1.2 295
8 42587505 50151140 1.0 358
8 119485929 120775425 1.4 322
9 1651825 2172062 1.8 235
9 18796927 19594078 1.4 258
9 33607310 35167345 1.1 288
9 100390872 103071598 2.5 469
9 105384852 106726226 1.2 391
9 110457812 111565310 1.4 338
9 121663634 123087058 1.4 266
9 126683277 128357386 1.5 351
9 129619725 130812291 1.9 260
10 3849440 4437552 2.2 257
10 14186438 14572900 1.0 213
10 25774418 26885659 1.4 287
10 53496688 54234695 1.1 231
10 80885363 82306307 1.6 202
10 94528940 95203361 1.0 312
10 111327250 112554448 1.2 286
10 126257749 126896810 1.6 207
10 134193052 135279285 1.2 297
11 22333148 23215716 1.4 226
11 64693386 67705120 2.0 623
11 86366568 87509227 1.2 303
11 110333620 111718027 1.8 271
11 115928517 116730243 1.7 221
12 8906626 10124344 1.6 322
12 41591026 44354661 1.9 472
12 100352827 101697440 1.7 331
12 101706239 102659369 1.4 237
13 19647239 20416726 1.2 225
13 48395995 49998098 1.2 288
13 78636916 80643773 2.0 416
13 85636818 87938403 1.4 290
13 103680620 104276260 1.9 223
14 36259816 37339620 1.5 225
14 43690442 45820357 1.1 324
14 53256878 54273453 1.5 264
14 54280838 55421527 1.6 258
14 62514374 64086455 1.1 302
14 74985547 75860161 1.5 206
15 22606395 23394688 1.5 214
15 40874029 43714596 1.2 431
15 83616952 84920344 1.5 376
15 86020665 87066323 1.9 279
15 89545513 90338621 2.5 258
16 15074392 16069923 1.4 229
16 17456460 19199351 3.6 231
16 27960464 30444714 1.6 345
17 27070578 28343688 2.1 204
17 30616704 32131996 1.7 281
17 46551917 47625736 1.2 231
17 54842320 56774017 1.6 255
17 65712954 66975870 1.8 332
17 67890551 68430202 1.6 212
17 70586913 71722647 1.6 259
18 27365447 28828505 1.2 345
18 48530378 50019407 1.1 259
18 61266233 62406400 1.5 234
19 15450701 16303782 1.4 433
19 19989389 22110901 1.2 291
20 34161781 36030231 1.8 293
20 54096602 54806394 2.4 220
20 55746462 56417500 2.6 234
20 58086732 58764720 3.3 213
21 19024372 19974200 1.6 230
22 22143258 23273294 2.1 237
22 30357449 31168255 1.1 208
22 35407310 35925862 2.9 202
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 208.3 cM
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I’m going out on a limb, but I think I am related, distantly, to the Clovis DNA.
That is set very low and increases the possibility and probability of identical by state matches. Having said that, we really don’t know. If you triangulate with one of your parents, that increases the chances that the matches are real.
Xactely. Go to Roberta’s blog on the Clovis – Anzick blog. She lists the mtDNA haplogroups in the Anzick Child. Download your Family Finder Matches file and sort the spreadsheet on the mtDNA Haplogroup column. Haplogroups A, B, C, D and X are probably Native American and at least one will match Clovis.
Thanksfor all the work you’ve done I am just now getting into we looking for DNA and ancestral work ups. The fa 99919 shows up when I do the jet match I can take matches I’m not sure what all of this means but I’d like to get more information that’s where I might fit in with this Clovis young boy.
Interesting article. After putting my DNA profile in GEDmatch archaic matches I get LBK, Stuttgart; Loschbour, Lux; Clovis, Montana; BR2 Hungary; NE1 Hungary and Ust-Ishim, Siberia all light up orange throughout all the chromosomes. My 23andme profile says I am 48% percent Native American and 44% southern european. It seems that you guys think having matches to Clovis Montana is a big deal but how about having matches to all these other ancient DNA samples? What do you guys get from that?
Disclosure
I am new to this whole DNA stuff.
At what cM level and SNP level did you run the match routine?
No matches for 7cm only 6cm
At 6cm I get pretty much a full bar and also pick up many of the other archaic DNA samples. Some less than others but I get them all. What does that mean if anything?
It’s quite interesting. The Native population was very bottlenecked, with very few founders. That they survived at all is a testimony to their resourcefulness and toughness. Because there were few, their DNA got passed around in the population, with no other DNA to dilute it, for a very long time, thousands of years. You’re seeing that today.
So the fact that I have all these other archaic matches does that mean that they were all related to each other someway and that I am somewhat related to all of them?
Some will be noise, some will be identical by chance, some will likely be genuine. When you say related, that likely means in the last 12,000 years, not recently.
Thank you for this information and helping me understand all this.
Look at the haplogroups of your matches. Native Americans are in haplogroups A, B, C, D, X and Q or one of the subclades (sub-divisions). The firs four will be mostly mtDNA haplogroups and the Q’s will be YDNA haplogroups. About 95 percent of all Native Americans are in haplogroup Q. The Clovis (Anzick Child) has haplogroups that are in 80 percent of all Native Americans. The Siberian haplogroups that came across the Bering Strait are the ancestors of today’s natives. The Clovis matching date back 12,500 years ago. I hope Roberta won’t rake me over the coals because she “taught” about this stuff. Like Chief Dan George said in The Outlaw Josey Wales : “We strive to persevere.”
I am haplogroup A from the mtDNA side.
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Hi, My kit # is A301397. I think I may be related to the Anzick boy, but all my family descends from Peru.
Hi my Kit # FB30110 i was looking for the match and I found by using the 1ooopixel and cm=3 a match. with the Anzick Child of a total segments of 3 cm=7.1. Will that mean that i am a real match with him? I know it is a 12,000 years old DNA. Just wonder! I wish someone could help me with an answer.
Thanks.
Comparing Kit F999919 (Clovis, Montana, 12.5ky) and FB30110 (Heriberto Martinez)
Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 22,904,215 26,782,315 3.2 704
11 116,088,723 118,933,368 3.9 841
Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total of segments > 3 cM = 7.1 cM
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What is considered a match for these purposes?
I have (with hypothetically possible trace ancestry from unknown Native groups in eastern Canada, Newfoundland, or the United States)
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
13 25,984,242 27,147,504 3.1 370
20 53,771,816 54,806,394 3.1 305
Someone from Denmark, with no known way to get North American Native ancestors
Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 5,597,631 7,133,632 3.1 410
6 135,184,502 137,336,349 3.1 351
Going down to 200 and 2, a lot more in both cases.
Both of us have Scandinavian ancestry and according to Ancestry, also trace Finland/Northwest Russia DNA, and show up with Siberian in those admixture calculators.
BTW, I’ve read the Vikings may have taken at least one Native woman back to Iceland from Newfoundland. And certainly that seems possible for Greenland. If I believe the research of others, I have Viking ancestry.
I think I came up with a snippet of Clovis and anzick dna. I’m having a hard time sifting through the different tests and I knowZIP about the results. My maternal haplogroup is b2 and my paternal haplogroup is q1a3a*. I’m 26% Native American according to 23andme and that jives with every other place I’ve plugged in my raw data. I’m totally willing to give you my gedmatch kit # if you’re interested. I’m just getting so many results in the spreadsheet that I can’t make sense of it. Feel free to email me if you like. I’d love to discuss more.
You are native on both parents’ sides. You paternal line and your mother’s mother’s line. Do you know which tribe or tribes? If you have tested at Fsmily Tree DNA, please join the American Indian project.
I am an match also.
I’m new to this I Comparing my Kit A090920 (*lmachen) and F999919 (Clovis, Montana, 12.5ky) my results was Largest segment = 6.3 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 69.5 cM
22 matching segments. 619274 SNPs used for this comparison. Can someone tell me if I’m related to him.
You could share a common ancient ancestor or the results could simply be identical by chance. No one can tell you.
Can someone tell my how to get my Haplogroup Mt & Y information. I’m 28% native American. I’m trying to find out if I’m related to F999919 (Clovis, Montana, 12.5ky). My kit Number is A090920 (*lmachen). Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 29,930,146 34,287,917 6.3 1,213
10 114,178,615 117,512,774 5.2 821
17 32,298,859 37,137,315 5.2 890
Largest segment = 6.3 cM Total of segments > 5 cM = 16.7 cM 3 matching segments
619274 SNPs used for this comparison. If I put in 1 centimorgan, I have 22 matching segments mwith Clovis.
You would need to test your mitochondrial DNA at Family Tree DNA. You don’t have a Y chromosome so no Y haplogroup.
I am Clovis Montana, Siberia, Germany, Hungary, and a lot of Russian which totally blew my mind. It tells the time period , so one of my lines start in Germany. But my last name is French? Dna is an amazing tool, I plan to visit Clovis Montana to see where my people came from. It uncovered the truth about my family.
One other thing.. I’m also Asian and from Africa. My people traveled like crazy.. God, it really shows how little we know about ancient people.
Email me and I will send a map of my first cousin showing the migrations of our SHAWNEE family.
also try: http://www.shawnee-bluejacket.com
I ran my results and showed matches at 2cm. 23andme shows me to be .2% Native American and as have other tests. I have three ancestors documented in my tree as Native American. 1 female Iroquois married Dutch ancestor 1656 in Schenectady NY, 1 from Indiana (unknown tribe but family members stated in letters she was 1/2 about 1838 named Betsy. 1 Likely Cherokee Mary Polly Bird wife of Benjamin Griffin documented near Fort Mims in 1813 where 1 son Walt was killed in massacre. They were referred to as mixed breeds. So with all this in mind wondering what this match says or if all this is just noise? Any thoughts appreciated.
2cM is very small. We can’t say for sure, but I would be suspicious that it is noise.
My DNA shows at least 2% NA and clovis and Kennewick showed up for me at a threshold of 3cM. I don’t have any connections past 3cM. My haplogroup is H2a2a1 and my main archaic areas to show up were Siberia, Russia and Sweden and various other European countries (mainly Eastern Europe). I’m a Black woman whose family is from Alabama. Idk what this means, but it seems strange to me
I have this at GEDmatch after running the Population Spreadsheet for MDLP K11 Modern: Clovis_Amerindian 100.00. What does it mean? Does it mean that 100% of my DNA is this Clovis_Amerindian, or 100% of the maker at the Chromosome for Clovis_Amerindian?
This mean that I have American Indian DNA?