Recently, someone wrote to me and said that they thought the autosomal DNA matching between groups of family members was wonderful, but they have “just one first cousin” and feel left out. So, I decided to see what could be done with just two cousins. In this case, the two cousins are full siblings and both first cousins to my mother, Barbara. This would be the same process whether there was one or two cousins, since the two are siblings. Utilizing two cousins who are siblings just gives me the advantage of additional matching and triangulation capabilities.
This does presume that both people involved are willing to share and do a bit of comparison work on their various DNA accounts. In other words, you can’t do this by yourself without cooperation from your cousin.
Here’s the common ancestor of our testers.
Barbara, Cheryl and Don took a Family Finder autosomal DNA test at Family Tree DNA.
The DNA shared by Barbara, Cheryl and Don is from their common ancestral couple, Hiram B. Ferverda and Evaline Louise Miller.
Some of that shared DNA will be Hiram’s Ferverda DNA and some will be Evaline’s Miller DNA. The only way to differentiate between the Ferverda and Miller DNA is to test people who are only Ferverda or only Miller, descendants of people upstream of Hiram and Evaline, and if there are any common segments between the testers and those Ferverda or Miller individuals, you can then assign that DNA segment to that side of the family – Miller or Ferverda.
I’m using Barbara’s chromosome as the “match to” background, below. Cheryl, in orange, and Don, in blue, are shown as matches to Barbara. You can see that these three people share a lot of their grandparents DNA. You can also see where Don and Cheryl didn’t inherit the same DNA from their father, in some instances, like on chromosome 1 below, where Cheryl (orange) matches Barbara on a much larger part of the chromosome than Don does (blue.) But then look at chromosome 13 where Barbara and Don match on a huge segment and Cheryl, just a small portion. Don and Cheryl inherited different DNA from their parents at these locations.
The three testers’ common DNA segments on chromosome 1 are shown in the table below. I’ve colored Cheryl’s pink and her brother, Don’s, blue. You can see that Barbara matches some segments with Don that Cheryl didn’t inherit from her parents. All of the DNA Barbara matches with Cheryl on this chromosome is also matched, at least in part, in that location, with Don. The chart below, matches the graphic above, for chromosome 1 and is the “view data in a table” option on the chromosome browser as well as the leftmost “download to excel” option. The download to excel option at right downloads all of the matches for the individual, not just the ones currently showing in the chromosome browser.
When at least two known relatives have tested, we have something to compare against. In this case, we have a total of 3 people, 2 siblings and a first cousin, before we start matching outside known family. We don’t know which of their shared DNA comes from which ancestor, but we can now look for people who match Barbara and at least Cheryl OR Don which proves a common ancestor between the three individuals. Matching Barbara, Cheryl AND Don would be even better.
The gold standard for DNA matching, called triangulation, that proves a particular segment to a specific ancestor is as follows.
- All (at least 2) people match you on the same segment.
- Those people also match each other on the same segment.
- Meaning, at least three people with a known common ancestral line must match on the same segment.
The key word here is “on the same segment”.
The next thing to do is to find out which of Barbara’s, Cheryl’s and Don’s matches are “in common with” each other. This means Barbara, Cheryl and Don all share a matching segment with these other people, but without additional analysis, we can’t determine whether they share a match on the same segment or not.
I ran Barbara “in common with” Cheryl and you can see that the first two people returned on that match list were me and Don because matches are listed in the order of the largest cM of shared data first. The “in common with” tool is the blue crossed arrows, below.
Next I ran Barbara in common with Don.
There were a total of 43 people in common with Cheryl and 49 with Don.
I downloaded the matching individuals (download link at the bottom right of the match page) and sorted them in a spreadsheet to see who matches whom. Here’s what the first part of my spreadsheet looks like (sorted in chromosome and segment order.) I colorized the rows by cousin for easier visualization.
We have 92 total matching individuals in common with Barbara and Cheryl and then Barbara and Don. A total of 19 people are listed as matching BOTH Cheryl and Don (for a total of 38 rows in the spreadsheet), so that means that there are 54 people who are in common with either Barbara and Cheryl or Barbara and Don, but not in common with all 3, Barbara AND Cheryl AND Don. This illustrates how differently siblings inherit DNA from their parents and how it affects matches another generation later.
|In Common With Matches||To both Don and Cheryl||To Cheryl only or Don only, but not both|
|Barbara||19 (38 rows of 92)||54|
Clearly, the people who match all three individuals, Barbara, Cheryl and Don are likely the closest relatives.
So let’s focus on those closest matching people. If you were utilizing only one cousin here, you would simply utilize every “in common with” match between two individuals and move forward. Because I have siblings here, and because I don’t want to deal with 72 different people, I’m using the fact that they are siblings to focus my efforts on the most closely related matches – people who match Barbara AND both siblings. You could also limit your focus by something like a common ancestral surname between all match members.
The next step is for each tester, meaning Barbara, Cheryl and Don, to compare each individual on the common match list to their DNA. This means that Barbara, Cheryl and Don all three will compare to all 18 individuals. We now have only 18 matching people, instead of 19, because I removed my own matches, since mine are a subset of Barbara’s. Checking to see how each of our testers matches each common matching person is the only way to determine that there is a three (or 4) way triangulation that will confirm a common ancestor.
There are two ways to do this at Family Tree DNA.
1. You can, 5 matches at a time, compare in the chromosome browser, then download only the matching segments to a spreadsheet for those 5 individuals. This means 4 sets of matches for each of three people.
2. You can download Barbara, Cheryl and Don’s entire segment match list and then eliminate the matches that aren’t relevant to the discussion – meaning everyone except the 18 common matches between the three people.
The download option for the entire segment match list for the person whose kit you are looking at is shown at the top of the chromosome browser, to the right. Downloading the currently showing individuals matching segments is shown at the top of the chromosome browser, to the left.
Because we can only push 5 people at a time to the chromosome browser, in this case, it will be easier to simply download all of the matches for each of the three individuals and then put them into a common spreadsheet and sort by the names we determined match in common between all three cousins.
I downloaded all of the matches for Barbara, Cheryl and Don, colorized them and then sorted them in the spreadsheet by the name of who they matched. I then searched for the names of the 18 individuals who matched Barbara, Cheryl and Don, and copy/pasted them into a separate spreadsheet.
I could then sort the 18 matching individuals results by chromosome and start and end location.
Barbara’s DNA matches are white rows, Cheryl’s are pink and Don’s are blue.
The segments where Barbara, Don and Cheryl all match more than one other person on an overlapping area of their DNA segments are colorized green. This means that 4 or more people match on that same identical segment, the three known cousins and at least one other person.
The segments where at least Barbara and either Don or Cheryl (but not both) match at least one other person are colorized yellow. This means that least three people match on that same segment.
Since the gold standard of triangulation is 3 individuals matching on the same segment, both the yellow and green segments contain matches that fall into this category and are triangulated. All of those segments match at least two of the cousins, who match each other, plus in some cases, additional people too.
Let’s walk through one triangulation sequence.
In the green cluster, above, you can see that Barbara, Cheryl and Don all match Arthur on overlapping portions of the same segment. The overlapping portion between all 3 individuals and Arthur runs from 49,854,186 to 53,551,492. In addition, both Don and Cheryl match Tiffany on part of that same segment and Barbara matches Dean on part as well. These segments aren’t exactly the same for any of the cousins, with different amounts of matching DNA as reflected in the different cM and SNP values.
So, who is triangulated based on just this one green cluster? Barbara, Cheryl, Don and Arthur are triangulated to a common ancestor. We know that common ancestor is either the common ancestor of Cheryl, Don and Barbara – Hiram Ferverda and Evaline Miller – or upstream of that couple.
Tiffany is triangulated to both Cheryl and Don, but since Cheryl and Don are siblings, that’s irrelevant at this point – meaning we can’t tell if that match is IBS by chance or real because there is no additional match – at least not in this cluster.
In total, there are 19 green clusters (triangulated to at least 4 people) and 12 yellow clusters (triangulated to at least 3 people.)
In other words, the DNA that came from Hiram Ferverda and Evaline Miller is present in these matching people as well. The million dollar question, is, of course, which upstream ancestor did it come from? We genealogists are never satisfied, are we? Every answer just leads to more questions.
Before we begin looking at the DNA results and discussing what they mean, I want to share with you the family tree of Hiram Ferverda and Evaline Miller, because the DNA of the people who match Don, Cheryl and Barbara had to come from these people as well. This chart shows 7 generations back from Barbara, Cheryl and Don. The common ancestors of the people with whom they triangulate are likely to be within this timeframe.
The colorized ancestors above are the ancestors who contributed the X chromosome to both John Ferverda, Barbara’s father and Roscoe Ferverda, Cheryl and Don’s father.
In my working example, below, I’m utilizing the matches on chromosome 14 because chromosome 14 includes examples of a couple of interesting features.
Let’s look at the first green grouping. All three cousins match to SB and then Barbara matches also to Constance and William, our Lentz cousin on part of that overlapping segment as well. This suggests that this grouping might come from the Lentz side of the Miller tree, although we’ll see something else in a minute that might give us pause to reflect. So just hold that thought. Regardless, it does tell us that these individuals do share a common ancestor and it’s on the Miller side, not the Ferverda side.
The second green grouping is larger and includes larger segments as well, which are more reliably used, although the smaller green cluster clearly meets and exceeds the triangulation requirement of 3 matching individuals on the same segment.
This larger green cluster is actually quite interesting, because there are a total of 4 individuals, Ellen, Arthur, Eric and Tiffany who are all triangulated on this same segment with Don, Cheryl and Barbara. So, not only are they triangulated to Don, Cheryl and Barbara, but also to each other. These 7 people all share a common ancestor.
The yellow grouping shows an area where Eric matches Barbara and Don plus Arthur as well, but not Cheryl. We don’t know anything about Arthur or Eric’s genealogy, so we don’t know if this is Miller or Ferverda DNA, at least not yet. We’ll learn more about Arthur and Eric in a minute, even without their genealogy!
There are a couple of other areas on other chromosomes that are of interest too.
On this cluster on chromosome 12, we find a known Miller cousin, Rex, 2nd cousin to Barbara, Cheryl and Don. Because Rex also descends from the parents of Evaline Miller, we know that this segment shared with Rex has to be Miller DNA, not Ferverda DNA.
On this segment of chromosome 3, below, we see that Barbara, Cheryl and Don match Herbert, another known Miller cousin, plus Dee and Constance in much smaller amounts on the same segment. This tells us that this segment is descended from our common ancestor with Herbert.
Barbara, Don and Cheryl’s common ancestor with Herbert is Daniel Miller and Elizabeth Ulrich (Ullery), which makes them third cousins once removed – except – Herbert got a second dose of Miller DNA because Daniel Miller’s son, Isaac, married his first cousin who was also a Miller and shared grandparents with him. So Herbert, genetically, is closer than he would appear since he received the double dose of Miller DNA three generations upstream.
Gotta love these close knit families. The Millers were Brethren. These double doses of family DNA often carry forward by matching downstream when they might otherwise not be expected do so. That’s the upside of these endogamous groups. Now, here’s the downside.
See the segments with the words problem written to the right? Do you recognize what the problem is? You’ll notice that in the matching group we have BOTH cousin Herbert who is a Miller (and not a Lentz) and cousin William who is a Lentz (and not a Miller.)
This is a very common situation in endogamous communities.
To make matters worse, we are dealing with very small segments here, where we often see confusion. However, let’s look at the possibilities.
We do have triangulation, so one of three things has happened here.
First, the Brethren are an endogamous population that intermarried nearly exclusively within their faith. The Lentz and Miller families were both Brethren.
Here are our possibilities.
- Our Lentz cousin has some Miller in one of his lines. This is entirely possible since he has a “short” pedigree chart and his families are living in the same Brethren communities as the other Lentz and Miller families.
- Our Miller cousin has some Lentz in one of his lines. That is less likely, because his genealogy is pretty well fleshed out, although certainly possible because, once again, the families were living within close proximity and attending the same churches, etc.
- This segment is truly a population based segment and will be found in people descending from that same base population. If this is the case, we still received it from one of our ancestors who came from that population, but since the Lentz and Miller lines may have both carried this same segment, we can’t tell who it came from. In other words, their common ancestor is further back in time than the Lentz and Miller families found in the US.
This segment cannot be IBS by chance because it does triangulate with the three cousins, Barbara, Don and Cheryl. The definition of IBS by chance shows us that chance segments would not phase (or match with) with a parent. If Don, Cheryl and Barbara all three carry this matching segment, it’s because their fathers both received it from their grandparents who were the common ancestor of Don, Cheryl and Barbara.
Neither Cheryl, Don nor Barbara can phase directly to their parents, who are deceased, so in this case, matching against first cousins is the best substitute we have. We know that common DNA between the first cousins had to come from their father’s, who were brothers. This in essence virtually phases Barbara, Don and Cheryl to their father’s on these matching segments. Not ideal, by any means, but even partial parental phasing is better than no phasing at all.
A third match, Dean, shows Miller in his family tree, but I could not connect his Miller line to the Johann Michael Miller ancestral line, from which our Miller line descends – so Dean is not a known cousin. Sometimes a common surname, even if found in the same geographic location, is not proof that the DNA connection is through that line. It’s easy to make that assumption, but it’s an assumption that is just waiting to bite you. Don’t do it!
Because of our known, proven DNA and genealogy matches to Herbert, we can attribute all of the segments where Herbert triangulates with either Barbara and Cheryl or Barbara and Don as Miller for all people involved. This means that this common DNA descends either from Daniel Miller and Elizabeth Ulrich or Daniel’s father Philip Jacob Miller and Magdalene, surname unknown.
Why have I listed two couples? Because, remember, Herbert has a double dose of Miller DNA from cousins and we don’t know which segment Barbara inherited, one from Daniel/Elizabeth or one from Philip Jacob/Magdalene (or some of each.) If the segment is from Daniel/Elizabeth, it could have come from either the Ulrich or Miller side. If it came from Daniel, then it also came from his father and mother, Philip Jacob/Magdalena and could either be Miller or Magdalena’s unknown line.
Because of our known, proven DNA and genealogy matches to Rex, we can attribute all of the segments where Rex triangulates with either Barbara and Cheryl or Barbara and Don as Miller for all people involved. Their common ancestor is John David Miller and Margaret Lentz, so their shared DNA could be either Lentz or Miller and is likely some of each.
For segments where there is no triangulation, but Barbara matches either Herbert or Rex, I still note that segment as Miller on my spreadsheet, since they are proven cousins, but I just omit the triangulation note.
For Barbara, that’s a total of 51 segments of her DNA that we can now assign to a Miller ancestral couple.
Furthermore, every segment that Barbara matches with either Cheryl or Don is now confirmed to be from her father’s side of the family, not her mother’s. While we don’t have Barbara’s parents available for testing, this is a pseudo way to phase your results to determine matches from one parents’ side of the family. For Barbara, that’s a total of 91 segments, some of them quite large. For example, roughly half of chromosome 13 matched with Don.
Just as a matter of interest, within those 91 segments that Barbara matches with either Don or Cheryl, a total of only 7 segments matched exactly between all 3 individuals in terms of start and end location, cMs and SNPs. While you might expect a number of small segments to match exactly, these weren’t all small. In fact, most weren’t small and some were quite large.
Exactly matching DNA segments between Barbara and Cheryl and Barbara and Don.
|Chromosome||Matching cM||Matching SNPs|
This means that these segments were not divided at all in a total of 5 DNA transmission events.
- Hiram to John
- Hiram to Roscoe
- John to Barbara
- Roscoe to Cheryl
- Roscoe to Don
Additionally, I carry two of these exact segments as well, so those two segments survived 6 transmission events.
Clearly these segments are what we would term “sticky” because they certainly are not following the statistical average of dividing the DNA in half (by 50%) in each transmission event.
There is one more thing we can tell from matching.
Both Barbara and Cheryl match with SB on the X chromosome on the same segments.
This is particularly interesting because of the special inheritance path of the X chromosome. We know that SB must be related on Evaline Miller’s side of the family, because John and Roscoe Ferverda did not receive an X chromosome from their father. So Barbara, Cheryl and Don have to have received it from Evaline. Unfortunately, SB listed no genealogy on Family Tree DNA, but based on the X chromosome inheritance path, I can tell you that SB is either descended from John David Miller and Margaret Lentz, or from the Schaeffer, Lentz or Moselman lines colored pink or blue, below.
At this point, I made a chart of how the matches grouped with each other on each of the green clusters.
I intended to create a nice chart in Excel or Word, but with all of the various colors of ink involved, I didn’t think I could find enough color differentiation so we’ll just have to suffer with my hand-made chart. There are subtle color differences here – a different color or marker type for each of the 19 green clusters.
What I did was to look at each of the green DNA spreadsheet groupings and create a colorized chart, by group, for each grouping. So everyone in the first cluster had their X in the boxes of who they matches in the same color, say blue pen. The second group, orange marker, and so forth. That way I can see who was orange or yellow or blue and if those groups tend to cluster together.
Remember Arthur and Eric from above, whose genealogy we knew nothing about. You can see, for example, that Arthur matches in various groups with lots of people, and most often, Tiffany. Arthur and Eric also match in multiple groups that include each other and Rex, a known Miller descendant, so we can attribute both Arthur and Eric’s DNA matches to the Miller side of the tree. Keep in mind, all of these people also match with Barbara, Cheryl and Don.
Tiffany clusters with Arthur and Sarah and Eric in multiple groups and with Constance, David, Ellen, Leland and Rex in at least one other cluster. So another Miller side person.
On chromosome 14, Eric, Ellen, Arthur and Tiffany were all triangulated on the same segment with Don, Cheryl and Barbara, so we know those 7 individuals unquestionably share a common ancestor.
Let’s look at SB again, our X match. Since SB’s X connection can’t come from the Miller side, given the X inheritance path, and SB also matches with our Lentz cousin, it’s likely that SB is related through the Lentz lines.
Normally, when doing this matching relationship chart, you tend to see two distinct groupings, a mother’s side and a father’s side. In other words, there will be some groups that absolutely don’t overlap with the others. That’s not the case here.
So, by now you might be wondering what happened to the Ferverda side of the family? I was secretly hoping to find a closet Ferverda relative in this exercise, and I thought we might have, actually. Notice that Harold has no clustering at all, but he clearly matches Barbara, Cheryl and Don – but doesn’t cluster with any other Miller or Lentz cousins. Therefore, he could be from the Ferverda side of the family, but since he provided no genealogy information or surnames at Family Tree DNA, I can’t easily tell.
However, I am not entirely without recourse. I checked Harold “in common with” Barbara and discovered that he matches both Rex, our Miller cousin and William, our Lentz cousin, so even though Harold did not triangulate with William and/or Rex on any segments with both Barbara and/or Cheryl/Don, those Miller/Lentz matches certainly suggest descent from this line. I’ll be sending him an e-mail!
So, there are no Ferverda cousins represented in these matches.
I decided to check one more thing, now that I know that all of these matches are on the Miller side and that we have 3 known, proven genealogical cousins, Rex, Herbert and William. I wanted to see how many of our individuals who match Barbara, Cheryl and Don also match one of the known cousins. I selected Barbara as the base match kit to use, since we know they all matched Barbara, Cheryl and Don, and then I ran “in common with” for each one of them with Barbara, with the following results. A few did match one of the Miller or Lentz cousins, but fewer than I expected.
*However, we had a surprise. Dean matched another Miller male individual whose line is proven to descend through two children of Philip Jacob Miller and Magdalena, surname unknown. Another first cousin marriage. Another cousin discovered!
Furthermore, I noticed yet another individual, Doug, in Barbara’s match list and in common with 6 of the matches as well. Looking at Doug’s pedigree chart, not only is he a Miller descendant, he also descends from two of the Miller wives lines too. Another cousin confirmed!
But why no Ferverda matches?
The Ferverda side of the family immediately jumps the pond to Holland, with Hiram himself being an immigrant as a young teen in the 1860s. There are few Ferverda (Fervida, Ferwerda) descendants here in the US to test, and many are Brethren or Mennonite. Few people in the Netherlands have participated in DNA testing.
The converse of that, Evaline Miller’s lines have all been in the US since the early/mid-1700s, so there are lots of descendants. Oh, the difference about a hundred years and 5 or 6 generations makes in the number of descendants who might be available to test. This situation, unfortunately, created a very lopsided chart without the division I’m used to seeing. On the other hand, thank goodness Evaline’s line and Hiram’s line are very distinct!
At this point, if you’re doing this “one cousin” exercise, you’ll need to do a few things.
1. Check each of the matching individuals to see if they have uploaded or created a pedigree chart at Family Tree DNA. If they do, their pedigree icon will be green, shown below. If so, click on the icon and search for every surname (and variant) associated with your known common lines with your cousin.
2. Check to see if these people entered a list of surnames, even if they don’t have a pedigree chart. The surnames are listed in the furthest right column. If you have entered your surnames, any that match yours will be bolded. Beware of variant spellings.
You can see above that I am the only one of the matches shown with a pedigree chart icon, shown in green, and the common surnames are bolded at right.
3. If your matches don’t have a pedigree chart, write to them and tell them you have a common ancestor and give them a list of your ancestors in your direct line. Please, PLEASE include the name on the kit that you match. Many people manage multiple kits and will ignore requests with only partial information.
4. If you have additional cousins to test, do so. I’m sure you can see how valuable additional cousins DNA would be.
5. Be sure to check your matches by “ancestral surname” to be sure that you haven’t missed any cousins who have already tested. The ancestral surname search box can be seen above the “known relationship” heading in the graphic above.
6. If you haven’t done so, enter your surnames under the “Manage Personal Information” tab under “My Account” at Family Tree DNA. Then click on the genealogy tab, then Surnames.
7. From your main personal page, of course, you can upload your Gedcom file by clicking on “My Family Tree.”
8. Run “in common with” for each of the common matches of your two cousins and look for common matching names between them. Those matching “in common with” names serve as a hint as to shared ancestry. Your answer may be hiding in your cousins’ trees!
Utilize all of these tools to help your search.
Not bad for thinking we couldn’t do anything with our DNA matches because we had “just one cousin” to work with, even though I cheated and used siblings.
What, exactly, did we manage to do?
- I attributed 91 segments of Barbara’s DNA to her father’s side of the tree.
- I filled in 51 segments of Barbara’s DNA to ancestral couples.
- I found 5 confirmed genealogy/DNA cousins.
- I found 16 people whose genealogy is unknown, but who triangulate with Barbara, Cheryl and Don. We know for sure which side of the tree these people match on – all Millers.
- I can tell the X match which lines they descend from, even if they don’t know.
- I can do one more very cool thing. Utilizing the Lazarus utility at GedMatch, I can now recreate at least a partial autosomal DNA file for both John and Roscoe Ferverda, the fathers of our testers. Join me in a couple days and we’ll see how that works!
This same process works between any two people who know how they are related and their common ancestor. It’s a great way to find cousins you didn’t know you had, or you didn’t know have DNA tested, and how they are related to you and each other.
Some people get very discouraged when even thinking about working with endogamous populations, or cousin marriages. One of the reasons I used this particular example is that I wanted to illustrate that while these situations are challenging from time to time, they are far from hopeless – so don’t let that deter you.
In fact, of the 5 confirmed cousins discovered during this process, some in unexpected ways, at least 3 and possibly 4 are through multiple lines. Some of these matches are probably thanks to endogamy.
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Thanks for this explanation. I’m dealing with a set of 1st Cousins married. Siblings marrying a pair of Siblings. So all of us are dealing with 4 surnames with 2 Intermarriages. This is gonna take me some time, but I will work at it. Thanks!
As another one cousin listing I’ve been waiting for this write-up for a long time. It will take me even longer to digest this but the article looks great. I can add several immediate relatives (on my nickle of course) but this seems to be the way out of my DNA box. Thank you so much.
Excellent article, Roberta!
Have there been any studies showing a correlation between more maternal X dna being transferred to the female offspring & less X dna being transferred to the male offspring — in siblings sharing the same maternal side — different paternal side?
Not that I’m aware of.
I am so confused. When comparing double first cousins, are the matching segments from only one grandparent? They match each other on a 73 cM segment but only one of them matches a 3rd cousin on a 22 cM segment that overlaps completely. Am I looking at it wrong?
11 6521250 81097051 73.33 19100
11 20011937 40048945 21.58 5500
It depends on how they are related. You’ll need to draw charts to see how the DNA is passed and who it could come from. That’s what I would have to do.
I am the only surviving child in a small family. Other than my children there is no one to test. Using Ancestry,23, and FTDNA I have found many 4th to distant cousins. My mother had many family stories and both sides kept good records with some gateway relatives so I know who I am. I have two 2-3rd cousins who are adopted and DNA shows up on the 3 websites and I just posted on gedmatch.. Can I use this method skipping the adoptees– going to verified 4th cousins and then see where they fit ? Does this make sense?
You can use this with any two people who know how they are related and are both willing to cooperate. You may discover how the adoptees are related as well in the process.
Roberta – just reading your “One Cousin” and realized that I am probably another cousin. I am descended from Susan Bechtel and Johann Micheal Miller, through their daughter, Barbara. They ate my 6th great grandparents. I have multiple Brethren ancestors – Garber, Flory, Neff.
How interesting to find cousins while reading emails during my morning commute!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
I hope you aren’t driving:)
I hate it when people eat my 6th great grandparents!
Roberta, this was very interesting, but I have a couple of questions (aside from why do genetic genealogists insist on saying “colorization” instead of “colored”).
The leading lights in the field insist that before we do anything at all, we lop off all the small segments – with the only question being how small. Tim, Blaine, CeCe and others insist that the 2, 3, 4 cM segments are not worth considering even if a whole group of people match and triangulate there. In my research (totally endogamous) I have bought into this strategy on the theory that if the segment is so small, it is probably relevant to an ancestor so far back as to be irrelevant to genealogical time. But you are using them nonetheless, just as you use larger segments.
Also, when you presented the chrosome browser strategy, you did not mention the option of using the Tier1 Matching Segments tool at GEDmatch. Why not just take the segments that your mother and the cousins share and see who else on GEDmatch fits them, using that tool?
Thank you for your patience.
Hi Israel. I am using them, but in conjunction with larger segments. I don’t know how else we’ll ever figure out how to use them reliably, except to use them in this context and see what we can learn. You’re right about GedMatch. However, this has already gotten so complex that I hesitate to add anything else for now. Also, the ADSA at http://www.dnagedcom.com does the same kind of thing with data from FTDNA.
Nice job explaining a complicated subject, Roberta. Since I am in the process of testing a cousin and two sisters, it will no doubt be very valuable to read it again once I get the results.
Thanks for the timely article. I tried this with my one tested 1st cousin 1R. I got over 1900 lines of matches to look at. I have also used Gedmatch and DNAGEDCOM and gotten similar results, but this focuses in on my cousin in more detail and gets down to smaller cMs. I used a few tricks to speed things up such as using MS Access and conditional formatting in Excel within large matching segments to find triangulated matches.
Well, at least you can’t say it wasn’t productive:)
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That would be a very good article on dealing with FF matches. Except that it does not answer the original question – “I decided to see what could be done with just two cousins”. Practically, all of the research is based on “known Miller cousins”, “known … cousins”, “known … cousins”. What if there are no “known cousins”? Does all the spreadsheet creating is worth it?…
My example. I have tested myself, my father and my first cousin (father’s brother’s daughter). I have come to a list of 65 people who match all three of us. No known cousins, no familiar surnames in the list. Is it possible to find out anything more than that all of these people are from my dad’s side?
Yes, I know, “test some of the more distant known cousins”. But anything besides that?
The known cousins ARE my mother and her first cousin. Just so happens that the first cousin’s brother tested so, so I used him as well. You can at least map those people to your Dad’s side. Have you contacted them to see what their genealogy says?
It’s very good that they ARE your close relatives. But that invalidates the whole original hypothesis. Therefore you have to state this in the beginning of the article – “let’s see what we can do with just 6 cousins tested”, so that you do not raise false hopes of those who really have just 1 or 2 relatives tested.
I don’t think you understand. I started with only Cheryl and her brother. I did know one other cousin had tested, but I didn’t know about the rest. I found them when I did the comparisons with Cheryl/Don. So not only was I able to assign “sides” of the DNA to families, I discovered several cousins in the process that I didn’t know had tested or were cousins before I found them via the DNA matches.
I was trying to file your most recent posting on using small segments and my finger flickered and I’ve lost it and can’t find it. Please resend; you are doing such amazing work and passing on your knowledge to people like me. Never think it is unappreciated. Thank You. Carol A. Preece
Here you go. http://dna-explained.com/2015/01/21/a-study-utilizing-small-segment-matching/
I understand that you removed yourself from the Barbara-Cheryl-Don common match list before comparing each of them with the 18 remaining matches because your own matches are a subset of Barbara’s. I’m hoping to find a triangulated group matching myself and a mother-daughter pair who I believe are, respectively, a second cousin once removed and a third cousin to me. I understand that I can’t count the prospective third cousin as one of the minimum number of three matching people because her matches are a subset of her mother’s. I have no first or second cousins to test. If I have one of my siblings tested and he or she matches the prospective second cousin once removed on at least some of the the same segments where I do, would my sibling and I form a valid triangulation group with the second cousin once removed or are my sibling and I too closely related to count both of us?
Thank you so much for sharing your expertise.
What I basicly did with the two siblings was to count them as “one,” sort of as a partial parent. So, either one of those two, plus the cousin, plus a third person forms a triangulation group.
I triangulated my brother to a known Miller 2nd cousin and your cousin Rex Miller who is our closest match ( me: 82.8, Bro: 70.0, 2nd c:109.6 ) and your articles have been quite helpful in trying to piece together the genealogy, especially since several matches over at Ancestry have the same ancestors. Another 1st cousin’s test which is in process should add to the picture. Thanks.
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I’m a 76-year old adoptee. I was born in and live in southern California. I connected with my Scot-Irish birth mother later in her life and she died never revealing the identity of my birth father or any information about him. Several years after her birth, I had autosomal DNA testing and I learned that my birth father is predominately 47% Finnish with a slight amount of Volga-Ural Russian. Also, my mother’s brother agreed to have his DNA tested to distinguish my maternal and paternal DNA matches. I have around 1,500 5th or greater Finnish DNA cousins residing in Finland and around 60 3rd-4th DNA cousins, also residing in Finland. Due to endogamy, any one of my DNA cousins residing in Finland can share DNA with 500 or more of my Finnish DNA cousins. Since my Finnish grandparents were recent immigrants to the United States, probably 1890 – 1910, I have very few Finnish DNA cousins residing in the United States and none are aware of my birth father.
My question is regarding the X chromosome that I received from my birth father. I have one female Finnish 3.9 DNA cousin the same age as me residing in Finland with whom I share 62.1 total cM, with the largest of 21.2 cM, and 31.3 total X-DNA cM, with largest of 15.8 cM. This is the largest amount of X-DNA that I share with any of my Finnish cousin DNA matches. Is it worth pursuing how we might be related and, if so, how do I trace her ancestry to a common ancestor through the X-DNA?
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