Honoré Lor was born on June 17, 1742, in Port Royal, Acadia, to Jacques Lord and Marie Charlotte Bonnevie near what is today Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia.
Fellow Acadian Abraham Bourg baptized Honoré, and his baptism was then registered by the priest, Father Desenclaves, a week later, on June 24th. Researcher Mark indicated that the priest had not yet arrived at his post on the 17th, which explains why Bourg performed the baptism a week earlier.
Honoré’s last name is spelled Laure in this record. The godparents were Francois Miraut and Marie Joseph Laure, according to FamilySearch and the Nova Scotia Archives.
Three very kind and generous people, Karen, Elizabeth, and Mark translated his baptism entry for me. I’ve combined them. Thank you so very much!
“The twenty-fourth of June, one thousand seven hundred and forty two, I have supplied the ceremony of baptism to Honoré, baptized in the home of his father by Abraham Bourg, born the seventeenth of the same month, legitimate son of Jacques Laure and Marie de Bonnevie, his wife. The godfather has been Francois Miraut and the godmother Marie Joseph Laure, who have not signed. [Signed] Desenclaves priest.”
His baptism was unusual, both in that a non-priest performed the original baptism and that it was registered a week later without rebaptism. It’s possible that Honoré was unhealthy, and his parents were concerned that he might not live – hence the emergency baptism.
After I wrote the above paragraph, Karen Theriot Reader provided additional information about Catholic baptisms of infants, as follows:
In the Catholic Church, baptisms are never performed twice. The word for a private (usually emergency) baptism is “ondoyé” and is sufficient for a proper baptism. Ceremonies are sometimes performed later, but just for show, really. Unlike marriages, which had a need to be “rehabilitated,” even a private baptism was considered valid.
In this record the translated words “supplied the ceremonies of baptism” indicates NOT a repeat of the rites, but a mere ceremony performed for the sake of the family. So to be more accurate, omit the word “rite,” and substitute “ceremony.”
Of course, this could be reflective of the fact that the family lived across the Annapolis River, just above where it connects with the Bay of Fundy, a few miles upstream from Port Royal, so they would have needed to get the baby to the church for baptism.
Today Google Maps shows roads, but then, the river was the road. It’s a good thing Honoré was born in June, or his baptism might not have been recorded for months if he had been born in the forbidding winter.
Honoré Lord was born just 13 years before the Acadian Expulsion which began in August of 1755. The Acadian people were rounded up, stripped of their belongings, their farms burned, loaded into ships like cattle, and forcibly removed from the homesteads they had carved out of the Nova Scotia coastline for over a century.
The Acadian history in Nova Scotia began in the early 1600s and continued until it didn’t any longer. The English finally “won” the conflict in which the Acadians had intentionally remained neutral. Winning meant expelling the Acadians with no warning and without mercy. Many died. We will never know for sure who left, where they went, what happened to them, and who among them perished, either immediately or consequentially.
All of Honoré’s source records are listed under the name of Honoré Laure or Lor in Port Royal, and Lore, Laure, Lor and Lord in Quebec. He is Honoré Laure in his Baptismal record, his first marriage record, and his burial record. He is Honoré Lord in his second marriage record and Honoré Lor [Lord] in his third marriage record. He is listed in a number of his children’s records as Honoré Lord, which is the last name many also were known by. Essentially, there was no standardized spelling.
He is not listed as Honoré Lord dit Lamontagne on any record. The dit name seems to have ended in his father’s generation.
Honoré was the youngest of 10 children born to his father Jacques Lord, of which eight were born to his mother, Marie Charlotte Bonnevie.
- One of his siblings and one of his half-siblings died shortly after birth.
- His oldest sibling, half-brother Jacques, born in 1709, was already 33 years old when Honoré was born in 1742. We have no marriage or death record for Jacques, so we have to assume that he was alive in 1755 when the deportation occurred.
Since we also have no death information elsewhere, we will also have to presume that he either had gone to live, or hide, in the backcountry, died during the removal, or in the subsequent years, someplace. It’s anyone’s guess.
- Honoré’s brother Charles was born in November of 1722. Charles Thiboneau and Francoise Bonnevie, his mother’s sister, were his sponsors. Charles was a newlywed during the deportation, having married Marguerite Garceau on January 20, 1755. His wife was very probably pregnant in August. If they were lucky, they somehow managed to make it onto the same ship with both his parents and her parents, Daniel Garceau and Anne Doucet.
In 1763, Charles was found in New York, New York, in the census, with a wife and one child. One child meant that at least three children had died. If the families were deported together, then it’s likely that Jacques and the rest of the family were also in New York. In 1797, Charles died in Trois Rivieres, St Maurice, Quebec.
- Honoré’s next younger brother, Joseph, was born in February of 1725 with Joseph Amireau and Jeanne Doucet as sponsors. Joseph married on February 3, 1750, to Marie Joseph Garceau. We know they had two children by 1755, but we know nothing more about anyone in this family.
Lots of Acadian families literally disappear without a trace. I wonder if Honoré knew what happened to his brother.
- Honoré’s next younger brother, Pierre Benjamin, was born in January 1728. Sponsors were Pierre Olivier, a resident of Beaubassin, and Marie Doucet, spouse of his brother, Charles Lord. He was found in the 1763 census in Riviere St. Jean in what is now New Brunswick, then Acadia, so he was not deported in 1755. He married in May of 1763 to Marie Josephe Blanchard and had his marriage rehabilitated in 1764 in Kamouraska, Quebec. This tells us that he made his way down the St. Lawrence. Pierre died in 1813 in Nicolet, Quebec, another 180 miles upriver and halfway between Quebec City and Montreal. I hope Honoré found him and was able to reconnect.
- Honoré’s next youngest sibling, Jean, was born in August 1730 in Port Royal and was baptized four days later with sponsors Denis Petitot and Angelique Lord. We know he married Marie Josephe Garceau about 1765, someplace in New England, the daughter of Daniel Garceau and Anne Doucet. Their marriage was rehabilitated at Becancour, Quebec in September 1767. He died in 1809 in St-Ours, Quebec.
This confirms that indeed, the Daniel Garceau and Jacques Lord families were in exile, someplace, together.
- Honoré’s next younger brother, Paul, was born four days before Christmas in 1733 in Port Royal, and was baptized the same day. His sponsors were Jacques Bonnevie, probably his uncle, and Marie Lord.
There is no death record in Port Royal, so he likely was deported with his family, but probably died either on the way or in New England. We find no further records.
- Honoré’s next youngest brother, Claude Poncy, was born in September 1736 and was baptized in August 1737. Sponsors were Pierre Lanoue and Marguerite Belliveau. Nothing more is known about Claude, but it’s likely that he, too, was deported and died in exile.
- Honoré’s closest sibling in age was Francois, born in August 1739 in Port Royal and was baptized the same day with Joseph Lord and Francoise Lord, his uncles, as sponsors. There’s no death record for Francois, so he was likely boarded onto that ship with hundreds of terrified people in 1755, never to be heard from again. He was 16 years old, and his brother Honoré was probably staying very close to him and to their parents. Assuming that was possible. We know that the deportation process often separated families indiscriminately.
Honoré’s father, Jacques, was reportedly in exile in New York, then returned to Canada with his son Pierre-Benjamin and settled in Kamouraska. Jacques reportedly had no heir through his children with his first wife, although I have no confirmation of that.
I have never found a death entry for Jacques.
Given that Honoré Lore (by whatever spelling) and two of his siblings married children of Daniel Garceau, those families were clearly located together both before and after the deportation. Honoré’s older brother Charles married Marguerite Garceau in January 1755, just months before the deportation, and his younger brother Jean married Marie Josephe Garceau someplace in exile around 1765. This was roughly the same time that Honoré married Appoline Garceau. We know that Daniel Garceau is found among the Acadians deported to New York because he is found on a 1763 list there.
Two ships carried deported Acadians to New York. On December 8, 1755, the Brigantine Experiment departed from Annapolis Royal and arrived someplace in New York on January 30, 1756, in the dead of winter, with 250 Acadians on board. Another schooner left Cape Sable and arrived in New York on April 28, 1756, with 94 Acadians. Given that the Lord/Lore family lived very near Annapolis Royal and Cape Sable is on the southwest corner of Nova Scotia, it’s most likely that Honoré, his family, and the Garceau family were on the Experiment.
Based on those marriages, we know that Honoré, his parents, and the Daniel Garceau family were exiled to the same location in New York.
However, because nothing is ever easy with this family, there’s also a smidgen of conflicting evidence. According to their marriage rehabilitation in Canada in 1767, Honorius Lord and Apolline Garceau were married in exile in New England around 1765 by Francois Landry. I found one Francois Landry in Massachusetts, but it’s possible that this is the wrong person. Both the names Francois and Landry, individually, were common among the Acadians.
Unfortunately, we know almost nothing about Honoré during the period of exile between late 1755 and his re-emergence as an adult in Quebec in 1767 – except for one thing.
He got married.
The Massachusetts Legislature sent a delegation to Quebec in March 1766. The delegation obtained a permit from the English Governor Murray for the displaced Acadians to immigrate to Quebec Province.
Honoré Lord and Apolline Garceau were married in exile in New England, probably around 1765 or 1766. The marriage was validated in Canada on September 29, 1767, because the couple had not been properly married by a priest during their exile in the colonies.
Many Acadians, along with this couple, settled south of Montreal around LaPraire and L’Acadie. Honoré’s family was in Yamachiche, below, in 1767 and 1768, in St-Denis and St-Ours in Quebec in 1775.
The family gradually moved westward along the St. Lawrence and then up the Richelieu River.
We don’t find Honoré and family again until 1787 in L’Acadie,
This raises the question of where some of Honoré’s children were born. Suggesting New England is the fact that Brother Bernard found conditional baptismal records at l’Acadie, Quebec for two children in July of 1787. Their actual birth dates were given in the baptismal record, but not the locations.
Some baptismal records, marriage and burial records were found and transcribed by Brother Bernard for Honoré’s children by Susanne Lafaille and Marguerite Babin. PRDH provided more, as do the genealogical records of Karen Theriot Reader combined with my own research.
Brother Bernard translated an extract from a letter by Rev Elisee Choquet, Pastor of Delson, Laprairie, Quebec.
“In reference to the marriage Lafay-Foret, before a Justice of the Peace, in the colonies, for lack of priests, there is evidently question of an Acadian marriage, and there are many such examples at Chambly, Nicolet, Sorel, and especially at LaPrairie. This is understandable. The unfortunate Acadians, dispersed in 1755, received an amnesty from Governor Murray, in the spring of 1766, and as the news reached them, they undertook to return to Canada. Between 1765 to 1780 the road to Montreal was filled with them.”
They could travel from the Hudson River all the way to the St Lawrence by way of Lake Champlain.
Then from Lake Champlain, following the waterway right up the Richelieu River.
Back to Rev. Choquet’s letter:
“But from 1755 to their return, they had to live, and their children marry. A few of the older ones (we know of three) received from the Grand Vicar of Acadia the power to receive the consent of marriage while in exile. But they were dispersed and many of them died. The young folks’ only recourse then was to marry before a Justice of the Peace, as they refused to be married by Protestant ministers. On their return to Canada, Bishop Briand ordered such marriages to be renewed or validated, but without reflecting the correctness of the original.”
That’s exactly what they did.
On September 29, 1767, Honoré and his wife, Appoline Garceau, had their marriage validated. We don’t know exactly when they were originally married, but their first known child was baptized in February 1768. There has been a debate about whether or not that child was born while in exile, but if so, why wasn’t he baptized at the same time that their marriage was validated?
The original church at Becancour, where Honoré’s marriage was validated, was built in 1722 and burned in December of 2000.
Brother Bernard’s translation.
“In the year 1767, on the 29th of September, we, undersigned missionary priest of the Parish of the Nativity of Becancour, validated the marriage between Honoré Lor and Apolline Garsau, both Acadians, who had been married by Francois Landry in England (New England was meant), no impediment having been discovered to said marriage, we gave them the nuptial benediction according to the form prescribed by our Mother the Holy Church, and this in presence of Fracous Lagrave and of Antoine Sabourin, who declared they know not how to sign this register, (Signed) F Louis Demers, Recollet Priest”
One Francois Landry was found in Massachusetts, specifically in Ipswich, in 1760 when he petitioned, asking for maintenance for himself and his wife. He claims they are both old and their children have been “put out to service,” and it pains him greatly and “occasions grief to them.”
Francois’s location, assuming it’s the same man, may be an important clue as to where Honoré Lore and Appoline Garceau were as well. Unfortunately, it does not mesh with Daniel Garceau, Appoline’s father being in New York in 1763, which would be stronger evidence.
After their marriage was validated, Honoré and Appoline slowly migrated on up the St. Lawrence River.
We know they were still in Yamachiche in February of 1768, at St-Denis-sur-Richelieu in December of 1769, and in St-Ours in 1771, 1773, and in 1775 when their child, Joseph, was baptized.
Then we lose the trail of our family for a dozen years. No baptisms, nothing.
Their children born in 1777 and 1779 were not baptized until 1787 in L’Acadie.
Where were they?
Sit down and buckle up for this one!
The Revolutionary War
There’s something VERY interesting and unique about Honoré Lore. He served in the Revolutionary War – in the Colonies, and more specifically, in a New York battalion.
What? Acadians didn’t do that!
This was the very last thing I would have expected to find, but here we are.
According to this muster Roll, he was at the garrison at Albany from April 1 through May 12th of 1777.
Artificers in Col. Moses Hazen’s 2nd Canadian Regiment list include Nathaniel Lord and Charles Lord. Charles may have been Honoré’s brother, but there’s no way of knowing without additional information.
Honoré’s card number.
What? How is this possible? He’s Canadian and just LEFT the colonies. Why would he EVER go back?
By 1777 Honor Lord, was listed on the muster roll of George Chardin Nicholson’s detachment of French Cadets in the service of the United States of America in Garrison at Albany on May 12, 1777. The muster list is dated April 1-May 12, 1777.
Was he only enlisted for six weeks? That would be very unusual.
Does this mean that Honoré Lord, and perhaps his family, might have been living in or near the garrison at Albany, New York during the Revolutionary War? Is that why we can’t find them during that time?
The Colonies reached out to the Canadians for assistance with unharnessing themselves from the English. It made sense to them that the Canadians would fully understand and be sympathetic, given that England had also captured Canada. Perhaps both nations could free themselves from the clutches of the British by assisting each other.
Honoré Lord might have been part of the “first canadian regiment” a.k.a. Congress Own Regiment. He may have joined with 200 men in 1775 when Colonel James Livingston who lived in Chambly, Quebec recruited nearby men to help guard the southern shore of the Saint Lawrence River.
That December, Livingston and his men led the charge for the Battle of Quebec from the fort at Crown Point, New York, on the western shore of Lake Champlain, sustaining heavy loses.
The ruins of the barracks at Crown Point still stand today.
We’ve confirmed that Honoré’s name is on the 1777 muster roll, but it appears that there’s much more to this story. He probably served for at least two years.
I asked a friend who was going to NARA recently to see if Honoré Lore, aka Honor Lord has a military folder or file. She was told there was nothing and was asked to wait for an expert, but by the end of the second day, no subject expert had appeared and her time was up. She will try again soon unless one of you with far more Acadian experience than me has something to offer. I have already tried the SAR and DAR indexes with no results.
I don’t know if Honoré would have been eligible for anything, pension or bounty land, given that he was not a US citizen and lived in Quebec beginning in 1787. Come to think of it, I’m not sure exactly what country he was a citizen of, given that he was born when Nova Scotia was under French control, exiled to the colonies, back to Quebec under British rule, fought for US sovereignty, apparently lived back in (probably) New York again, then lived back in Quebec when it was under British control. I think this means he was a refugee at least four times.
We know for sure that the family was absent from Quebec for several years and also that Lake Champlain, into the Richelieu River, was the direct access route from the US to the St. Lawrence.
The First Canadian Regiment was raised in September 1775 by James Livingston to support the Colonies’ independence efforts in the war and saw service primarily in New York and Quebec. You can read more about troop movements and battles that Honoré’s unit, and therefore Honoré, was likely involved with here, here, and here.
Honoré’s regiment saw action in Montreal, Trois Rivieres, New York, the Saratoga campaign, including the relief of the siege of Fort Stanwix in August 1777, both Battles of Saratoga, and the Battle of Rhode Island. The unit was disbanded on January 1, 1781 at King’s Ferry, New York. I’d love to know if he served for the entire time.
Honoré’s service makes perfect sense, looking at where these battles were fought.
On this map detailing the movements and battles of Canadian regiments, we see New York, where his family was likely in exile, Albany, where we know he was garrisoned, and St.-Jean-sur-Richelieu and the exact area where he was living in 1775, along the Richelieu River. The Canadians, especially in this area, had a vested interest in the outcome of the war. In fact. Canada was referred to as the 14th Colony.
The war came to Honoré, just as another war had come to him once before.
More particularly, the path to Montreal and sites along the St. Lawrence where battles were fought took the soldiers right through St.-Jean-sur-Richelieu, just a stone’s throw from L’Acadie where the Lore family lived, or would come to live by 1787. Sorel and Trois Rivieres were northwest of Montreal.
It appears that Honoré didn’t so much decide to go to war, but war arrived on his doorstep, and his only viable option was to step up and defend the region where he lived. It’s possible that his family evacuated, all things considered.
I’m sure, given the family’s history with the British that Honoré and the rest of the Acadians despised them and would have welcomed the opportunity to break their stranglehold.
What we do know, for sure, is that Honoré was with Appoline, someplace, in July of 1776 and in May of 1778 in order for their children born in 1777 and 1779 to be conceived, so he wasn’t “gone” the entire time.
Honoré may well have served or even joined here at Fort St. Jean, located within walking distance of L’Acadie, in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu. This fort played a crucial role in the defense of Quebec.
Honoré was almost assuredly involved in the 1775 Siege of Fort St. Jean. Montgomery’s troops were pushing for Montreal, then Quebec City, to liberate Quebec, which had been captured.
They laid siege to the Fort on September 17th, and on November 3rd, the British capitulated. Montgomery’s men did take Montreal on November 13th, with no battle, but the British General Carlton had escaped upriver to Quebec City to prepare to defend Quebec there.
A plaque erected at Fort Saint Johns reads:
“Constructed in 1743 by M. de Léry under orders from Governor la Galissonnière. This post was for all the military expeditions towards Lake Champlain. In August 31, 1760, Commandant de Roquemaure had it blown up in accordance with orders from the Governor de Vaudreuil in order to prevent its falling into the hands of the English. Rebuilt by Governor Carleton, in 1773. During the same year, under the command of Major Charles Preston of the 26th Regiment, it succumbed to a 45-day siege by the American troops commanded by General Montgomery.”
Fort St. Jean today.
Fort Frederick in Albany
The garrison at Albany is the one location we know positively that Honoré was during April and May of 1777.
From 1775 through 1781, Albany was a Patriot stronghold. Fort Frederick was built atop State Street Hill in 1676. You can see it all the way to the rear on the map above from 1758.
The city was fortified with a stockade in 1695, with Fort Frederick located at the highest point, overlooking the fledgling city and guarding the approach to the west.
By the early 1700s, Fort Frederick had 21 guns, and its stockade surrounded the entire village of Albany.
Today, you can see Pearl Street, and I’ve marked the church that sits in the location of the former fort.
This drawing of Fort Frederick, depicting it in the 1700s after it had been updated, shows the gate where Honoré would have entered and exited. He would have stood guard on those rampart walls.
After the French and Indian War ended, the fort fell into disrepair and disuse. In the 1760s, the residents began to salvage stone and wood from the fort for their own use. In 1765, the barracks, hospital, and fort were purchased by the city from the provincial government.
During the Revolutionary War, the fort, or what remained of it, was used to jail those loyal to the British. Many Tory refugees made their way to Canada, or tried to. Was Honoré guarding British sympathizers in Albany?
In 1789, the fort, by then in the way of progress, was finally dismantled with the land deeded to St. Peter’s Episcopal Church.
The church as it appeared in 1803, on the site where the fort stood when Honoré was stationed there.
The bell tower is built on the northeastern bastion of the fort.
At one time, the Fort dominated the landscape, but today, you can barely see the church tucked behind the Hilton Albany.
You can see the church a little better looking east.
Of course, today, Albany is a thriving metropolis, the Capital of the State of New York, stretching for miles. Old Fort Frederick is someplace near the tail of the Y in Albany. Honoré would never recognize anything, here or in New York City, and he would probably be utterly terrified at the specter of even one automobile, let alone traffic.
These documents clearly confirm that Honoré was a United States Revolutionary War veteran, even though he wasn’t a citizen and maybe not even a resident. He certainly was not a resident from 1767 to 1775 nor a willing resident from 1755 through 1766.
In fact, Honoré had been exiled in 1755 to the Colonies and simply wanted to return to Canada where he could resume his French/Catholic Acadian cultural life. Unfortunately, the British captured Quebec in 1759, so Honoré literally could not get away from the British. I’m sure, given what that family had been through, Honoré never felt safe. Not one minute of his life.
It’s ironic that from their earliest settlement in Nova Scotia into the 1800s, the peaceful Acadians, who even called themselves the French Neutrals, simply wanted to be left alone but instead were embroiled in one conflict after another. For two hundred years, they tried to stay out of conflicts that they were dragged, kicking and screaming, into.
All things considered, Revolutionary War military service was not something I had ever remotely considered for my Acadian ancestors. Not only did Honoré serve, he volunteered.
A few of Honoré’s grandchildren, including Antoine born in 1805 would move to Vermont, New York and Pennsylvania. Some of his descendants would become US citizens. His service was certainly not in vain.
The Catholic Church
I don’t know why Honoré and family didn’t return immediately after the war, but I have a guess. Canada was in British hands, and Honoré had fought against the British. However, he wanted to practice the Catholic faith, have his children baptized by a priest, and God-forbid, be buried in sacred ground. His desire to be reunited with his fellow Acadians and family members was stronger than anything else.
Upon his return to Quebec from wherever the family sought refuge, they settled in L’Acadie, a settlement of other Acadian families. Honoré had his children baptized at Ste. Marguerite de Blairfindie until St. Luc opened in July of 1801. He began attending St. Luc, even though his son, Honoré, continued to attend Ste. Marguerite. This suggests to me that Honoré Sr. probably lived closer to St. Luc. The church was served by missionaries during Honoré’s lifetime.
There might have been another reason why Honoré moved his family back.
The second record we have of this family back in Quebec is Apoline’s death and burial. The first record is the baptism in July of 1787 of two of their children who were born earlier, elsewhere. Less than a year later, Apoline herself passed away.
Apoline Garceau died on May 3, 1788, and was probably the first family member to be buried in the cemetery at Ste. Marguerite de Blairfindie. At least she could be afforded a proper Catholic burial.
Honoré and Appoline’s Children
Honoré Lore/Lord and Appoline had at least seven children and probably more like eleven:
- Honoré Lord was born on February 28, 1768, and baptized in Yamachiche, Quebec. He died on April 5, 1834, in L’Acadie, Quebec, and married Marie LaFaille in August 1789 at Ste. Marguerite de Blairfindie. This means that he spent many of his formative years, between 1775 and 1787, someplace in the States, probably in New York.
- Marie Anne Lord was born on December 30, 1769, and baptized in Saint-Denis, Quebec. She married Antoine Brousseau in 1788 in L’Acadie and died on February 17, 1852.
- Francois Lord was born on September 19, 1771, and baptized at St-Ours in Quebec the next day. He married Marie Anne Lafaille, the sister of his brother, Honoré’s wife, who was also the sister of his father’s second wife (but not his mother), on June 9, 1806. He died on December 13, 1824, in L’Acadie.
- Claire Lord was born in September of 1773 in St-Ours, Quebec, and died 16 months later on January 15, 1775.
- Joseph Honoré Lore was born on March 5, 1775, and was baptized at St-Ours. Since we have no further information, and the family was missing from the area beginning about this time, he likely died wherever the family was located between March 1775 and October 1777 through mid-1787.
- Charlotte Marguerite (also called Marie Charlotte) Lord was born October 14, 1777, and baptized on July 1, 1787, in L’Acadie, Quebec. She married Pierre-Victor Dussault on February 20, 1797, at St-Ours and died on March 18, 1833, in Henryville, Quebec.
- Jean-Baptiste Lore was born on February 1, 1779, and was baptized on July 1, 1787, in L’Acadie. He married Marie Madeleine Ligny on August 18, 1806, died on March 25, 1828, in L’Acadie, and is noted as a farmer.
This record reflects the dual baptisms of both Marie Charlotte and Jean-Baptiste at Ste.-Marguerite-de-Blairfindie in 1787.
It would be critically important to discover where these two children were born to unseal the secret of where Honoré lived from 1775-1787. I suspect it was in New York since that’s where his regiment was located. Had the family been in Canada, there would have been Catholic baptismal records someplace. Even if the baptism occurred, but the records are missing today, their children would not have needed to be baptized in 1787. This tells us they weren’t baptized, which also tells us they weren’t in Canada when they were born.
I cannot read this document to translate it, but I wonder if there is any clue – even the names of witnesses might be helpful. I also wonder if there were other Acadian families with Honoré’s family during the time of their absence. Canadian census records don’t appear to give places of birth until after these two children are already deceased.
We have no records for the family from 1775 through their children’s baptisms in July of 1787, but they likely had additional children in 1781, 1783, 1785, and probably 1787. That would be the natural birth order if every child lived. If children died as infants, the births would have been closer together, and more children could have been born.
This strongly suggests that Appoline and Honoré lost at least four children, if not more, during this timeframe. If the children had lived, they would have been baptized with their siblings in July of 1787.
In August of 1789, Honoré’s oldest child, Honoré (Jr.), married Marie Lafaille/Lafay. Hold that thought for a minute.
Remarriage to Suzanne Lafaille.
Following Apoline’s death in May of 1788, 20 months later, Honoré (Sr.) remarried in January 1790 to Suzanne Lafaille, the younger sister of his son, Honoré Jr.’s wife, Marie Lafaille.
Yes, I know this is confusing.
Honoré Sr. married his son’s sister-in-law, who was five years younger than Honoré Jr.’s wife, Marie LaFaille.
Then, in 1806, Honoré Sr.’s son, Francois (born in 1771) from Honoré Sr.’s first marriage, married Marie Anne Lafaille, the sister of the other two Lafaille sisters who were married to Honoré Lore Sr. and Jr., respectively. So yes, three Lafaille sisters married the father and two Lore sons.
My head was spinning with all this, just in case you were wondering.
Ok, now for Honoré Sr.’s marriage record.
I’m not quite sure why there was a notarial record in addition to the church record, but the notarial record is much easier to read.
Brother Bernard’s translation of the second marriage for Honoré Lord with Suzanne Lafaille.
“The eleventh of January 1790, after the publication of 3 banns of matrimony at our parochial Masses on two Sundays and one intervening holyday between Honoré Lord, widower of Apolline Garseaut, of this parish, of the first part; and Suzanne Lafay, daughter of Francois Lafay and of Marguerite Foret, her parents also of this parish, of the second part; no impediment having been discovered to said marriage, we undersigned priest received their mutual consent and gave them the nuptial benediction according to the form prescribed by our Mother the Holy Roman Church, and this in the presence of Joseph Michell, Victor Girouard, Joseph Commeaux cousin, Honoré and Francois Lord sons, Andre Lancieau, Antoine Grousseau, Francois Brousseau friends of the groom, and of Francois Lafay, Pierre Trahan, Kean Dupuy, Marie Hebert friends, Marguerite and Julienne Lafaye sisters of the bride, several of whom signed with us after this was read. (Signed) Marie Lore Honoré Lore Marguerite Lafay francois Lafay Jean Dup Drosseau Lancto priest”
This signature appears to be Honoré the son, not Honoré the father.
Suzanne and Honoré had seven children.
- Henri Lord was born March 23, 1791, in L’Acadie and was baptized at Ste-Marguerite-de-Blairfindie.
Henri’s baptism was witnessed by both Francois Lafay and Marguerite Lafaye. Francois is almost assuredly Suzanne’s father, but it’s unclear whether Marguerite is her mother or her sibling by the same name. I suspect her sibling since women were normally listed by their birth surname.
Henri married Louise Lebert on January 13, 1812, Suzanne Comeau on June 14, 1819, and Marie Babin on November 23, 1841. He died after the 1861 census. He is noted as a carpenter and farmer.
- Louise Lord was born on February 27, 1793, in L’Acadie and married Pierre Babin at St-Luc on May 4, 1812.
- Julien Lord, named after Honoré’s grandfather, was born on March 29, 1795, married Marie-Louise Brosseau at St-Luc on February 14, 1820, died on December 8, 1872, and was buried in the St. Luc cemetery.
- Suzanne Lord was born on March 24, 1797, in L’Acadie, and married Charles Ficiault at St-Luc on November 21, 1814.
- Jacques Lord, named after Honoré’s father, was born on July 16, 1799, in L’Acadie and married Marie Desnoyer on August 7, 1820, in Ste-Marie de Monnoir.
The baptisms above were all at Ste-Marguerite-de-Blairfindie. From this point on, baptisms took place at St-Luc after it opened in 1801.
- Marie Phebee Lord was born on March 13, 1802, and baptized on the 14th at St-Luc. She died on June 9th of the same year and was buried two days later.
- Hippolyte Lord was born June 17, 1803, and baptized the next day at St. Luc. The baby died a month later, on July 17th, and was buried the following day.
Even though Suzanne was thirty years younger than Honoré Lord Sr., he outlived her.. The first five of their seven children lived to marry, but the daughter born in 1802 died three months later, and the child born on June 17th, 1803, died on July 17th. Suzanne died on August 9th, less than a month later. I can’t help but wonder if those deaths were connected.
Suzanne died on August 7, 1803, in L’Acadie and was buried at St-Luc, probably beside her two children. She was only 32 years old.
Honoré remarries to Marguerite Babin
Honoré, now 61 years old, had small children to raise. Three of his older children had married, but the rest were still at home. He wasted no time in marrying 18-year-old Marguerite Babin, 43 years his junior, on February 13, 1804. Honoré was two years younger than Marguerite’s father and 16 years older than her mother.
Brother Bernard’s translation of the third marriage of Honorius Lord with Marguerite Babin.
“February 13th, 1804, after publication of 3 banns of matrimony at our parochial Masses on 3 consecutive Sundays between Honoré Lord, farmer and widower of Susanne Lafay, his second wife, and living at St Luc, of the first part; and Marguerite Babin call LaCroix, minor daughter of Louis Babin called LaCroix and of Marie Jeanne Laporte, her parents consenting to said marriage and living with their said daughter in this parish, of the second part; no impediment having been discovered to said marriage, we undersigned received their mutual consent and gave them the nuptial benediction according to the form prescribed by our Mother the Holy Roman Church, and this in the presence of Antoine Brosseau son in law, Victor Girouard friend of the groom and Pierre Babin paternal uncle, and Charles Fisesset friend of the bride, who all declared that they could not sign. (Signed) R P Lancto”
Oh, how I wish Honoré had signed.
I can’t help but wonder if Marguerite got to vote or if this was an arranged marriage. All of Honoré’s children from his first marriage were older than Marguerite, and many from his second marriage were just a few years younger than she was.
Honoré and Marguerite had eight children.
- Marie Rose Lord was born November 22, 1804, and was baptized the following day at St-Luc. She married Andre Comeau on November 6, 1820. She died on September 10, 1887, and was buried two days later.
- Augustin Lord was born on February 26, 1806, and was baptized the next day at St-Luc, but nothing more is known.
- Clare Lord was born on January 8, 1808, and was baptized at St. Luc. She married Paul Dupuis at St-Philippe on February 3, 1834, and Edouard Peladeau on November 29, 1855. She died on February 24th, 1899, and was buried on the 27th.
- Edouard Lord was born on June 9, 1809, baptized the next day at St-Luc, and died just two months before his fourth birthday on April 26th, 1813. He was buried the following day.
- Moise Lord was born on October 27, 1810, and was baptized at St-Luc. He married Marie-Anne Sanders in St-Paul on October 3, 1842. Marie-Anne was the granddaughter of Tse-Tse, an Iroquois, and his wife, Marie.
- Catherine Lord was born on June 5, 1812, and was baptized the following day. She was buried on August 21, 1831, in LaPrairie.
- Pierre-Noel Lord was born and baptized on Christmas Day in 1814 at St-Luc, died a few days before his nine months birthday, on September 19, 1815, and was buried two days later.
- Modeste Lore was born on May 1, 1816, and was baptized the following day at St-Luc. He died on November 25, 1820, and was buried on the 28th. In his baptism record, Honoré is still listed as a “laboureur” which translates to plowman, or farmer.
Catherine, born in 1812, probably had vague memories of her father, but Modeste would have had no memory of him at all.
When Honoré welcomed his last child, he was a month shy of 74 years old and apparently still farming. Marguerite was 31.
When Marguerite married Honoré, she had to have known that one day she would be raising their children without him. She could have born children for another decade. Had he lived, he would have been 84 at that time, and had he lived to raise those children to age 20, he would have been 104.
I can’t help but wonder how a farmer in his 60s and 70s provided for an ever-growing family.
Of course, his older children were grown and married with children older than his younger children, so perhaps everyone helped. If Honoré had an estate, it would be interesting to see what it held. His widow, Marguerite, remarried in 1820 to Francois Giroux. I don’t know how spousal inheritance worked in Quebec, nor inheritance involving underage children, nor children from earlier marriages.
Honoré’s oldest son, Honoré, married in 1789 and had his first child in 1790. Father Honoré and son Honoré were having simultaneous children from 1790 through 1810 when son Honoré Jr.’s wife, Marie Lafaille, was 43 years old. However, Honoré Sr. continued having children with his third wife. Honoré Sr.’s childbearing years were greatly extended by having three wives, with the second two being significantly younger than him.
It’s rather remarkable that Honoré had children from 1768 (some accounts claim 1766) through 1816, nearly half a century.
When Honoré died, he had 16 or 17 living children, seven of whom were under the age of 20.
His eldest living child was age 50 and had adult children, yet his second to the youngest child died in 1815, and his youngest would perish in 1820, not even five years old.
Altogether, Honoré had 23 known children, plus probably at least four children born between 1777 and 1787, totaling at least 27 children.
It’s also interesting to note that Honoré had one set of twins, his son Honoré had two sets of twins, and four more of his children had a set of twins.
If Honoré’s family was like most Catholic families, they attended a beautiful midnight Mass celebrating the birth of Christ and the beginning of Christmastide.
However, this Christmas was probably different.
Honoré’s daughter Marie Anne, had a daughter, Marie Anne Brosseau, who was born in April of 1792. However, the child died on Christmas Day in 1815, just 23 years old. She was obviously very ill in the days leading up to Christmas.
To make matters worse, Honoré’s son, Pierre Noel, who had been born on Christmas Day in 1814, had died in September of 1815.
I’m sure the families were used to some amount of death, often in babies, but to happen on Christmas and to an older child must have taken the wind out of everyone’s sails, turning a day of celebration into a time of deep mourning. They had loved Marie Anne for 23 years, and now she was gone. The following day, they buried her. I’m sure the family never celebrated Christmas again without the tinge of grief.
Honoré Lord, Lor, Lore, or Laure died in 1818 at the age of 76 years. He had quite some life. Chocked full of adventures he didn’t sign up for.
Brother Bernard translated the burial record of Honorius Lord.
“On May 22nd 1818, by us undersigned Priest, was buried in the cemetery of this place, after a funeral High Mass, the body of Honoré Laure, farmer, who died yesterday in said locality at the age of 76 years, fortified by the Sacraments of the Church, the husband of Marguerite Babin of this parish. At the burial were present Etienne Martin and Alexis Cartier, who said that they could not sign, (Signed) C Martin Priest”
Honoré’s two younger children with Suzanne Lafaille and all of his children with Mauguerite Babin were baptized at St. Luc. His four and possibly five children who died after St. Luc opened in 1801 and before his death in 1818, along with his second wife, were buried at St. Luc.
The long cemetery behind the church is where Honoré is buried, along with several of his children and wives, Suzanne and Marguerite.
The Saint-Jean-L’Evangeliste St-Luc church is not large, but probably larger than the original. This is the third church to be built in this location, the first burning in 1875. Honoré’s funeral was held in the church before he was buried in the churchyard, probably close to the rear door where there are many early, unmarked graves.
It’s possible that when the church was expanded and rebuilt, Honoré wound up under the rear portion of the church.
I realized that my mother’s great-grandfather, Antoine Lore, who would have been 13 in 1818, sat in a pew in this church as the Priest spoke in Latin during his grandfather’s service. Antoine would have walked with Honoré’s casket out the back of the church into the graveyard, listened as the Priest performed the Rite of Committal, recited the Catholic version of the Lord’s Prayer, then heard the clods of dirt hollowly hitting the casket lid.
This family probably knew the words to everything in this service by heart, even the Latin words they didn’t understand.
I would love to have heard Honoré’s funeral Mass, even though I can’t understand Latin. You can observe a contemporary High Mass funeral in Latin here. Regardless of the language, the ritual would have comforted his family, and the service would have been well attended. Extremely well attended. His immediate family may have filled the entire church. Given that he died in May, I hope his grandchildren gathered beautiful wildflowers and decorated the church and his casket.
High Mass would have been an honor and performed by either a Bishop or other prelate allowed to wear Pontifical liturgical vestments. You can learn about Catholic funerals here.
This beautiful stained-glass window in the Canterbury Cathedral shows a funeral procession. I can imagine that Honoré’s looked something like this. His sons probably were pallbearers, carrying Honoré on his final journey.
Honoré and his family certainly paid a high price to remain Catholic, so a beautiful funeral was well-deserved.
Honoré has the distinction of having the most children of any of my known ancestors.
He had 23 known children and probably at least 27, based on the “holes” that are unaccounted for during the time he was (probably) in New York in the 1770s and 1780s. One of his known children disappeared during that time too, and likely died and was buried wherever they were living. For a Catholic, burying children without the benefit of a Catholic baptism and in unconsecrated ground would have been painful indeed. Maybe that’s part of what sparked their decision to return to Quebec, even though it was still officially held by the British. At least they could practice the Catholic faith freely in Quebec.
Honoré never knew that several of his grandchildren would be the first converts in Quebec to the Methodist faith less than two decades later, in the 1830s. He might just have turned over in his grave a few times since the entire Acadian experience had been one long battle to retain their ability to be “French” and, in that spirit, devoutly Catholic.
Not all of Honoré’s children survived to adulthood, of course, but 13, about half, did. I find nothing more for Joseph, born in 1775, so he likely died in New York, and I found the birth and baptism for Augustin in 1806, but nothing more. Honoré’s children from his third marriage tended to be more scattered than the older children who settled in L’Acadie.
I don’t know if Honoré left an estate and, if so, how it was divided, but that too could have made a difference in terms of who stayed and who left. His third wife remarried, and many of those children either didn’t know him well or at all. They would have established relationships and roots elsewhere.
Honoré might have spent more time in church than any other ancestor, too, by virtue of all of those baptisms, marriages, and, sadly, burials. I literally had to make a spreadsheet to figure out where he was, and when. You can see that as he aged and his children married and blessed him with more grandchildren, he attended church outside of regular services more and more frequently. Lots of baptizing going on.
I do not have the actual church records for all of the baptisms, but it appears that Honoré may not have been able to write. I never find his signature anyplace. Sometimes witnesses signed, so there is still hope.
|Honoré’s Child’s Name||Spouse||Honoré‘s Grandchild||Great-Grandchild||Event||Date|
|Appoline Garceau||Marriage validation||9-28-1767||Becancoeur, Yamachiche|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Baptism||2-28-1768||Yamachiche|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Baptism||12-31-1769||St Denis|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Baptism||9-20-1771||St Ours|
|Marie Claire Lore 1773-1773||Baptism||5-13-1773||St Ours|
|Marie Claire Lore 1773-1773||Burial||1-16-1775||St Ours|
|Joseph Honoré Lore 1775 – ?||Baptism||3-5-1775||St Ours|
|Joseph Honoré Lore 1775 – ?||Burial||1775-1787||New York?|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Baptism||7-1-1787||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Baptism||7-1-1787||Ste Marguerite|
|Appoline Garceau||Burial||5-4-1788||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marriage||11-10-1788||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Antoine Brousseau||Baptism||9-2-1789||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Antoine Brousseau||Burial||9-4-1789||Ste Marguerite|
|Suzanne Lafaille||Marriage||1-11-1790||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Joseph Lore 1790-1835||Baptism||3-9-1790||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Antoine Brousseau||Baptism||2-5-1791||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Antoine Brousseau||Burial||2-23-1791||Ste Marguerite|
|Henri Lore 1791-aft 1836||Baptism||3-23-1791||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Samuel Lore 1791-1821||Baptism||9-4-1791||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Ann Brousseau||Baptism||4-8-1792||Ste Marguerite|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Baptism||2-27-1793||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||(Isabelle) Marie Elisabeth Lore 1793-1857||Baptism||3-1-1793||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Pierre Broussard||Baptism||2-13-1794||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Marie Josephte Lore 1794-aft 1871||Baptism||12-19-1794||Ste Marguerite|
|Julien Lore 1795-1872||m 1820||Baptism||3-29-1795||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marguerite Broussard||Baptism||1-27-1796||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Hyppolyte Lore 1796||Baptism||7-17-1796||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Marie Victoire Lore 1796-1831||Baptism||7-17-1796||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Hyppolyte Lore 1796||Burial||7-20-1796||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Marriage||2-20-1797||St Ours|
|Suzanne Lore 1797-1833||Baptism||5-25-1797||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Antoine Brousseau||Baptism||7-24-1797||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Pierre Lore 1798-1799||Baptism||3-24-1798||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Alexis Lore 1798-1875||Baptism||3-24-1798||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Victor Dussault||Baptism||9-2-1798||Contrecoueur|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Louise Brousseau||Baptism||2-19-1799||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Pierre Lore 1798-1799||Burial||7-4-1799||Ste Marguerite|
|Jacques Lore 1799-aft 1831||m 1820||Baptism||7-16-1799||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Louise Brousseau||Burial||7-22-1799||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Marriage||8-10-1789||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Benoni Lore 1800-1888||Baptism||2-6-1800||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Unnamed Dussault||Birth||5-11-1800||Contrecoueur|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Unnamed Dussault||Burial||5-13-1800||Contrecoueur|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Phebee Brousseau||Baptism||8-14-1800||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Marguerite Dussault||Baptism||4-3-1801||Contrecoueur|
|Marie Phebee Lore 1802||Baptism||3-14-1802||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Honoré Lore 1802-1882||Baptism||3-22-1802||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Phebee Lore 1802||Burial||6-11-1802||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Joseph Brousseau||Baptism||10-10-1802||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Marie Marguerite Dussault||Baptism||2-2-1803||Contrecoueur|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Marie Marguerite Dussault||Burial||2-25-1803||Contrecoueur|
|Hippolite Lore 1803||Baptism||6-17-1803||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Celeste Brousseau||Baptism||7-8-1803||St Luc|
|Hippolite Lore 1803||Burial||7-18-1803||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Celeste Brousseau||Burial||7-21-1803||St Luc|
|Suzanne Lafaille||Burial||8-9-1803||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Rene Zephyrin Lore 1803-1877||Baptism||8-26-1803||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Genevieve Dussault||Baptism||12-5-1803||Contrecoueur|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Genevieve Dussault||Burial||8-25-1804||Contrecoueur|
|Marie Rose Lore 1804-1887||m 1820||Baptism||11-23-1804||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Antoine Lore 1805 to US||Baptism||3-25-1805||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Celeste Brousseau||Baptism||4-30-1805||St Luc|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Francois Dussault||Birth||6-13-1805||Contrecoueur|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Francois Dussault||Burial||6-15-1805||Contrecoueur|
|Augustin Lore 1806-?||Baptism||2-27-1806||St Luc|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Marriage||6-9-1806||Ste Marguerite|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Adelaide Brousseau||Baptism||6-30-1806||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Justine Brousseau||Baptism||6-30-1806||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Adelaide Brousseau||Burial||7-14-1806||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Justine Brousseau||Burial||7-15-1806||St Luc|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Marriage||8-18-1806||La Prairie|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Celeste Lore b 1806||Baptism||9-15-1806||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Edouard Lore||Baptism||3-3-1807||St Luc|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Hilaire Lore||Baptism||5-19-1807||Ste Marguerite|
|Claire Lore 1808-1899||m 1834||Baptism||1-8-1808||St Luc|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Emelie Lore||Baptism||3-13-1808||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Pierre Lore 1808-1814||Baptism||3-17-1808||Ste Marguerite|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Marie Olive Lore||Baptism||9-6-1808||Ste Marguerite|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Marie Pelagie Dussault||Baptism||10-6-1808||St Denis|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Aubin Lore||Baptism||3-30-1809||Ste Marguerite|
|Medard Lore 1809||Birth||6-9-1809||St Luc|
|Medard Lore 1809||Death||6-10-1809||St Luc|
|Edouard 1809-1813||Baptism||6-10-1809||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Marguerite Lore 1810-1855||Baptism||4-25-1810||Ste Marguerite|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Domitille Lore||Baptism||6-1-1810||Ste Marguerite|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Domitille Lore||Burial||6-13-1810||Ste Marguerite|
|Moise Lore 1810-1908||m 1842||Baptism||10-27-1810||St Luc|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Francois Dussault||Baptism||4-12-1811||St Luc|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Rene Lore||Baptism||6-20-1811||Ste Marguerite|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Rene Lore||Burial||7-25-1811||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||David Lore||Baptism||10-8-1811||Ste Marguerite|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Marriage||5-4-1812||St Luc|
|Catherine Lore 1812-1831||Baptism||6-6-1812||St Luc|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Marie Julienne Lore||Baptism||6-8-1812||Ste Marguerite|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Unnamed Babin||Birth||1-27-1813||St Luc|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Unnamed Babin||Burial||1-30-1813||St Luc|
|Edouard 1809-1813||Burial||4-27-1813||St Luc|
|Charlotte Marguerite Lore 1777-1833||Pierre Victor Dussault 1778-aft 1835||Augustin Dussault||Baptism||8-28-1813||Ste Marguerite|
|Henri Lore 1791-aft 1836||Louise Lebert||Julie Lore||Baptism||11-30-1813||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Pierre Broussard||Marriage||1-31-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Henry Lore||Baptism||5-26-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Henriette Lore||Baptism||5-26-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Jean Baptiste Lore 1779-1828||Marie Madeleine Ligny 1786-1857||Henriette Lore||Burial||7-12-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Pierre Lore 1808-1814||Burial||9-5-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Francois Lore 1771- Dec 13 1824||Marie Anne Lafaille 1782-1849||Joseph Lore||Baptism||9-14-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Pierre Babin||Baptism||9-16-1814||Marieville|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Samuel Lore 1791-1821||Marriage||11-7-1814||Ste Marguerite|
|Suzanne Lore 1797-1833||Charles Ficault||Marriage||11-21-1814||St Luc|
|Pierre Noel Lore 1814-1815||Baptism||12-25-1814||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Pierre Broussard||Pierre Broussard||Baptism||3-12-1815||St Luc|
|Pierre Noel Lore 1814-1815||Burial||9-21-1815||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Ann Brousseau||Burial||12-26-1815||St Luc|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Marie Ann Brousseau||Death||12-25-1815||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Samuel Lore 1791-1821||Marie Elmire Lore||Baptism||2-3-1816||Ste Marguerite|
|Modeste Lore 1816-1820||Baptism||5-2-1816||St Luc|
|Honoré Lore 1768-1834||Marie Lafaille 1767-1836||Joseph Lore 1790-1835||Marriage||5-6-1816||St Luc|
|Henri Lore 1791-aft 1836||Louise Lebert died 1816||Burial||6-12-1816||St Luc|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Pierre Babin||Burial||7-26-1816||Marieville|
|Marie Anne Lore 1769-1852||Antoine Brouseau 1760-1845||Pierre Broussard||Moise Broussard||Baptism||12-2-1816||St Luc|
|Louise Marie 1793-1834||Pierre Babin||Marie Louise Babin||Baptism||12-3-1817||Marieville|
|Death||5-21-1818||Honoré ‘s death|
|Burial||5-22-1818||Honoré ‘s burial|
Honoré died in 1818, long before his younger children married.
His children from his second and third marriages grew up playing with his grandchildren from his first marriage. Honoré had three great-grandchildren who would have attended his funeral, the eldest being three years old. Honoré’s last child, born in 1816, was younger than his two eldest great-grandchildren, and two more followed in 1818, shortly after his death.
So that means his great-grandchildren were playmates with his youngest children. No wonder my tree looks like an insane vine!
There were probably over 100 people wedged into the pews at Honoré’s funeral, and that’s without counting his siblings and their families or his wives’ families. Several babies would have been crying, but they would have been among good company as the rest of his family would all have been shedding tears at his departure. One thing is for sure, Honoré lived a long and full life.
I began to lose track of Honoré’s descendants quickly, but in the next three generations, I found eight different children named Honoré, clearly honoring him. That tells you something about him. No one names a child after someone they don’t like.
- Honoré’s son born in 1768
- Grandson Honore was born in 1802 through son Honoré
- Grandson Honoré born in 1821, died in 1821 through son Henry
- Grandson Honoré Fissiau/Ficialut born in 1826, died in 1829 through daughter Suzanne
- Grandson Honoré born and died in 1825 through son Jacques
- Grandson Honoré DuPuis was born in 1834 through daughter Claire
- Great-grandson Pierre Honoré Boudreau was born in 1833 through son Francois and his daughter, Marie Olive
- Great-grandson Honore was born in 1826 through son Joseph, then his son Joseph
There may well have been more.
I used various sources to assemble Honoré’s family, including PRDH as well as family records. Unfortunately, PRDH does not include the Grande Ligne Protestant baptismal records. I don’t have copies of everything, and I’m unsure where to look for his estate records.
Honoré’s grandchildren began venturing to newer frontiers. One to Vermont, then on to New York and Pennsylvania, one to New York, and another to Oregon. There were probably many more that left, spreading our Acadian seeds near and far. Every time I see the surname Lore, Lord, or even Laure, I wonder if that is one of the descendants of Honoré.
Honoré began life in the Acadian homelands, then spent many years in forced exile. We know the family lost everything, and we don’t know how they survived or where. Given those beleaguered beginnings, with warfare constantly haunting the family like a predator, no one would have dared to predict that Honoré’s life would end as a humble farmer in the pastoral green countryside of L’Acadie in Quebec, rebuilding his life and that of his family among other Acadian families.
This landscape evokes peace and tranquility, which is what I’m sure Honoré desired perhaps more than anything else.
Honoré was truly a devout Catholic. He made his way to church on the day of each new baby’s arrival for an immediate baptism, no matter the weather, just in case. The mother wouldn’t have been able to travel right after giving birth, but the child needed to be baptized.
We don’t know exactly where Honoré lived, but it had to be someplace between the Ste-Marguerite and St-Luc churches.
Maybe someplace halfway in between.
Regardless, Honoré spent an inordinate amount of time in both Ste-Marguerite-de-Blairfindie and St-Luc.
Honoré had wives, children and grandchildren buried in both locations, all in unmarked graves. At the time, they were probably marked with wooden crosses.
After the Acadian families were incredibly scattered to the wind and endured such horrific circumstances in his early life, the fact that Honoré managed to settle and keep his family intact in one place is rather remarkable. I’d love to know how he did it and the location of his exact land. How did he purchase it? What happened to it after his death? Can it be located today?
His sixteen or seventeen living children, ages two to 50, assembled one last time to honor the patriarch of the family, Honoré. I hope it was a joyful celebration and recollection of his amazing life, with grieving, yes, but also laughter and storytelling.
Rest in Peace, Honoré.
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Le vingt quatre juin mil Sept cent quarante Deux
ont este Supplies les ceremonies de bapteme a
honore baptisé dans la maison de son pere par abraham
bourg né le dix septi. du mesme mois fils legitime
de Jacques laure et de marie de bonnevie son epouse
le parain a este francois miraut et la maraine
marie joseph laure qui nont fuit signer Desenclaves
The twenty-fourth of June one thousand seven hundred forty-two,
have been supplied the ceremonies of baptism to
Honoré, baptized in the house of his father by Abraham
Bourg, born the seventeenth of the same month, legitimate son
of Jacques Laure and of Marie de Bonnevie his wife.
The godfather was Francois Miraut and the godmother
Marie Joseph Laure, who have signed.
Thank you so VERY much. I’ll add it tomorrow.
Not to quibble, but the godparents did not sign. “qui n’ont pas signé” is “who did not sign”. This a very, very common ending to Québec baptismal records. The record attached is actually of two baptisms, the second, that of Frederic Beliseau, signed by Louis Robichaux as godfather, who happened to be an 7th-great uncle of mine.
Roberta does it again—knocks it out the park with a stunning, thorough, & thoughtful account! I enjoyed reading and hope to attain the ability one day—to fashion accounts in such an organized style!
Thank you. This one took FOREVER and I thought it was never going to be finished. Actually, it’s still not finished but it’s the best I can do for now.
A little additional background – The priest who recorded the baptisms was a Sulpician missionary who was appointed parish priest of Annapolis Royal that June 1742, so it is likely he had not yet arrived by the 17th when Honoré was privately baptized, but was there on the 24th. There was evidently no priest at Annapolis Royal until the 24th. See – http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/gay_desenclaves_jean_baptiste_de_3E.html
Abraham Bourg was a prominent member of the community and was about 80 years old when the baptism took place. See – http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/bourg_abraham_2E.html
Normally, when a baptism is done privately without a priest being present, such as when the child is in danger of dying before a priest could be summoned, such as done by a midwife, a “sage-femme”, the term usually found is “ondoyé” rather than “baptisé”, but not here.
Thank you SOOO much for this context. I have one in Europe where the grandmother baptized the baby before it died.
How do you know if the child was stillborn? I found a couple records that had birth and death, but no baptism, but it had a burial.
My understanding is that if it is clearly a stillbirth, and there is no doubt of the death intrauterine, baptism of the deceased child is prohibited. However, if there is any doubt at the time of birth whether there is any life remaining, and there is the danger of death before a priest can be summoned, the child may be baptized conditionally by any layperson under the guidelines adopted by the church. If the child survives, he/she may be later “rebaptized” by a priest.
I’ve seen many near simultaneous baptism/burial records, often with the child unnamed, “anonyme”.
But sometimes, the families in isolated communities simply waited for a priest to show up to have the children baptized. My 4th-great grandfather John Bond of the tiny fishing village of Pointe-Saint-Pierre near Gaspé had five of his children baptized at the same time after a priest was appointed to serve the many small fishing villages along the Gaspé coast; the eldest was already twelve years old. The priest was, coincidentally, Thomas M. Bourg, an Acadian, and close cousin of the Abraham Bourg in your record.
I saw several anonyme baptisms. But I saw some with just the death date and burial. Same day. No baptism. Others were baptized and died same day but did have a name.
Thanks to Mark Deutsch for catching my omission of the “not” in the translation. But I stick by my transcription of “qui nont fuit signer.”
Karen Theriot Reader
I take that back; now I think it is “fait,” which makes more sense.