I am Jasmine’s daughter, well, I guess that would be granddaughter with many greats preceding – but she is my ancient clan mother, nonetheless.
Looking back now over the past 12 or 13 years since I had my mitochondrial DNA first tested and discovered I was a member of haplogroup J, I’ve realized what a journey of discovery I’ve been on. Literally. I was immediately interested in the ancestral journey of J, Jasmine, my ancestor, and as the tests became more refined, I learned more about Jasmine through her subgroups.
I’m now classified as J1c2f which is 4 subgroups downstream of haplogroup J, the original Jasmine, each one more refined and more geographically specific that the previous haplogroup. Looking at the maps for J, J1, J1c, J1c2 and J1c2f side by side shows the migration path of my ancestor rather clearly.
We know that haplogroup J was born in the Middle East some 30,000-50,000 years ago. Many subclades of J were also born there, but eventually, some began the slow migration to Europe. They probably had no destination in mind at that time, but were simply searching for something – fresh water, unsettled land, better hunting…something. My ancestor was among one of those groups, that long ago day. I can’t help but wonder what she saw, or thought, or if she even realized she was embarking on any kind of a journey. Did she have an inkling or was she simply moving next door?
Above, the haplogroup J map from the haplogroup J project at Family Tree DNA.
The subgroup J1c map is shown above. You can see it is somewhat smaller and the geography is not quite as widely dispersed.
The haplogroup J project doesn’t group in more refined haplogroup subgroups than J1c, but on the map above you can see the most distant ancestor locations of my full sequence matches, all haplogroup J1c2f. I’m surprised as how widely spread the ancestors of these participants are, given that by the time you’re 4 or 5 haplogroup generations downstream of a founding mother, J in this case, you’re often looking at distinctive regional clusters. I find the marker in the Caucasus, north of Turkey, quite interesting.
There are only a limited number of ways to get to Europe if you are coming from the Middle East: over the Caucasus through Russia, the sea route via the Mediterranean or the combined land and sea route, through Turkey, crossing between Europe and Asia at present day Istanbul, or old Constantinople, shown on the map below.
Learning about my haplogroup pushed the genealogical clock back further than I had ever imagined possible – from about 200 years to tens of thousands. That information fueled within me a vagabond I didn’t know existed, and at a depth I never imagined.
So, a few years later, I went on the “Journey of Jasmine,” at least part of it. I retraced some of her footsteps and cruised the Mediterranean coastline where many haplogroup J descendants are found today. I journaled about Jasmine daily and titled the trip, “The Journey of Jasmine.” I spent a day in Istanbul, Turkey and another day in the majestic ruins of Ephesus near the coast, shown below, and I knew that either my direct descendant or her relatives had stood where I stood, thousands of years ago.
When I crossed the Bosphorus River, or rather, sailed up and down the Bosphorus, which forms the border within the city of Istanbul between Europe and Asia, I knew that my ancestor, if she traveled from the Middle East to Europe using that route, had indeed crossed at or near that point. Constantinople is a very old trade route, established where it was because of its location. It moved me deeply to know I was likely standing in her footsteps, some thousands of years later.
Of course, it would have looked very different then. I imagined it without contemporary buildings.
Above, both the European and Asian sides of Istanbul, with Asia across the River. Below, the top photograph shows the European side of the bridge that connects the two halves of the city, and the lower photo shows the Asian side.
I have not been to Jasmine’s birthplace, the Middle East, but I’d surely love to visit, nor have I been to where my oldest ancestor whose name I know, Elizabetha Mehlheimer, was found in Goppmannsbuhl, Bayern, Germany around 1800, but I’m working on that too.
I have walked in the footsteps of other ancestors that I’ve found through DNA testing and I’m planning two trips within the next two years to do just that again.
This fall I will be visiting the location in Lancashire, England, discovered through a DNA match, where my Speake family originated, and as a bonus, down the road another 25 miles, where my Bowling line, who married into the Speak line, originated as well. I’ll be sharing that with you as I connect with the past.
I’m also visiting Kent where my Estes line originated, also proven through DNA testing, and then next year, visiting the Frisian roots of my Estes line that was only discovered through DNA testing.
Of course, if I’m visiting Frisian roots, I’ll also be visiting my Dutch roots as well, another powerful connection through DNA, assisted dramatically by a wonderful Dutch genealogist.
I’m Not the Only One
Recently, I saw a couple of other people comment about how their genetic discoveries have inspired them to connect with their distant, or maybe not so distant, past.
One person posted this video of the Tuvan throat singers who have genetic connections to Native American people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1pcEtHI_w
Someone else who tested Native and never knew about that history before is attending a Homecoming Powwow this weekend. Someone else attended an African Festival in Boston this week.
Another client who also tested Native visited Lake Baikal, the “home” of the Native people in Asia and sent me a photo of him standing on the shores of Lake Baikal to use in his DNA Report. Below, Shaman Rock in Lake Baikal.
Someone else mentioned that they are attending a Hungarian heritage festival near where they live after discovering their Hungarian heritage.
http://www.festival.si.edu/2013/Hungarian_Heritage/
Opportunities to connect with our ancestors and their culture, our heritage, are all around us.
What About You?
So, I’d like to know – how have your DNA results inspired you? Have they changed or influenced the journey of your life? What kind of experiences have you had that you would never have had without DNA testing? DNA has influenced my life dramatically and provided me with amazing opportunities and adventures – like the Lost Colony archaeology digs, for example.
As my good friend, Anne Poole, who I met through DNA testing, co-founder of the Lost Colony Research Group, pictured at left beside me below, reminds me every time we are on a hot, sweaty, poison ivy and tick-infested archaeology dig together, “it’s all about the journey.” Indeed it is. Tell me about yours.
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I’m a J1c3 and the more research I do, the more amazed I become. It has been fairly easy to trace my ancestry to NW Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. I have also managed to trace my paternal side of the family to ancient Ireland, however, I am even more interested to learn how they came to be in NW Europe if the ‘J’ heralds from Turkey/the Levant/northern Africa, etc!!!
Hello Kathy. I noticed that we both share the same haplogroup! I am a J1c3 myself! I had the DNA test done through 23andme. I would love to know more about this group if you do not mind 🙂 Please let me know if we can discuss them further!
Hi, my name Dale, I took FTDNA test in 2007 not quite sure what it all means really up here in Alaska kinda behind the the times, so to speak. Anyhows according to my results I am J* very interesting what I have found out being adopted and no knowledge of family. Born in 65-66 , Seattle Wa. Any voice or direction would be of immense help.
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Have a wonderful day, thanks.
I’ve been publishing a beginner series. Have you checked that out?
Hi Kathy, I am J1c2 maternal haplogroup, too! Thanks for your research.
Lynne
Hi Babypopcorn and Kathy Robinson, I am also J1C3. Are either of you on. Gedmatch? I also did my dna through 23 and me.
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Hi Kathy. I am originally born and raised in Algerie. All my parents and grandparents were born in Algerie. My maternal haplogroup is J1C3.
Origin is probably due to Viking occupation of Eastern North Africa or descendent of Europeans captured and brought to North Africa Barbary Coast pirates during their era.
I meant Algeria.
That’s is possible of the DNA link. The group we are in was via my mom’s side while her dad was from Turkey (now Greece) her Mother was pure Irish. But Black Irish because we have curly dark hair and dark brown eyes.
My name is Solveig, I also have J1C3 and am from the Western coast of Norway, with all my grandparents from this coast also. I took a full DNA test from National Geographic and discovered that I in addition to a bit Finnish-Siberian and Scandinavian, have a rather large Irish-British component, and an unusually large Southern European component (usually totally absent in Scandinavia, as Scandinavians in addition to Scandinavia have Eastern European and larger Finnish-Siberian parts). The Southern European part does not surprise me, because of my coastal origin and Western Norwegians often being dark and brown eyes. In Europe there has always been travellling along the coasts. I took a more specific test and the Southern European component is mainly italian-Greek with a bit Iberian peninsula. So some people travelled away from the sun to the Arctic areas probably a few hundred years ago. What these tests tell us is that people always have travelled. We have feet, not only roots! 🙂
I am also Norwegian and my materal haplogroup is J1c2. It was fascinating to find out that these genes was brought from the british isles ca 800 AC to Norway by vikings. My grand-grand-etc-mother lived at the british isles and was shiped to Norway. My grandmother was from Bohuslän in Sweden, a place earlier part of Norway, and it is my guess that the viking that brought her over the north sea lived in that area. It is well known that vikings took celtic women with them on their way to Iceland, and I read at 23andme.com that some J1c2 women also ended up in Norway.
Could you please share with me the source of your information that J1c2 was Celtic?
Roberta Estes – it seems like this is valid for the hole J haplogroupe! 🙂 From 23andme.com: «By 4,000 years ago an offshoot of J had made it all the way to the western edge of Europe, becoming entrenched among the Celtic-speakers of the British Isles. But even that wasn’t the end of the journey. Beginning in the 8th century AD, Viking raiders who regularly pillaged coastal Britain and Ireland often sailed back home with Celtic women aboard. Some of those women carried this branch, so that today there are Norwegians and even Icelanders with the far-flung J haplogroup.»
I’m suspicious of this. We just don’t have that level of specificity yet. This branch has yet to be found in the British isles at all. If it migrated through there, there would still be people there.
I’ve posted about this before so these comments may sound familiar.
The geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer has a map in his book “The Origins of the British” showing mtDNA J people migrating from Norway to Scotland in the Neolithic or New Stone Age, several thousand years BC. These were descendants of the first Neolithic farmers from the Middle East to bring knowledge of farming into Europe.
It seems unlikely that all the mtDNA J people in Norway migrated westwards, presumably many stayed put, in which case they will be a component in the modern population of Norway. So if you are Norwegian and your mtDNA haplogroup is J, don’t take it for granted that you are descended from a British woman kidnapped by a Norwegian Viking a mere thousand years ago. It ain’t necessarily so!
I belong to the FTDNA mtDNA J project, and there are a group of us whose earliest known ancestor in the direct female line was from north-east Ulster. They all tend to have Scottish surnames and were presumably descended from Scots who moved to Ulster during the Plantation period from the early 1600s onward.
As to the term “Celtic”, it’s probably best reserved for talking about the Celtic languages which survive in parts of the British Isles and Brittany. There does not seem to have been such a thing as a Celtic “race” – the latest DNA research shows that the Scots, Irish and Welsh are distinct populations genetically. It seems that the ancestor of the Celtic languages may have developed as a lingua franca or common language along the Atlantic seaboard, eventually replacing whatever languages were originally spoken in that area. Just as Celtic-speaking Britons would eventually start speaking the Anglo-Saxon language of a relatively small band of invaders from northern Europe.
Harry
You mean the branch J1c2?
Yes, although they had a different designation when Oppenheimer was writing his book.
Harry
That was a long time ago. It’s smazing how fast this field has moved.
I am J1c2 Harry, also from NE Ulster, Co.Antrim. Though unlike your ‘possible Plantation Scots’ female ancestors, I am descended from what could be termed Native Irish, from the Glens of Antrim. Due to family historians, some now long gone, who left family trees, whether written or oral, I have been able to go back to the mid 1700s with all my ancestors ( before I had my DNA checked) and they had all, particularly my maternal line, Irish surnames, still common in the area, which was quite isolated from the Plantation settlers in fact. Thank you for your valuable and interesting comments😊You will notice I have a Scots surname, it is my husband’s.
A Scottish surname, but Henry Joy McCracken, one of the founders of the Society of United Irishmen, was a native of Belfast. A lot of Mc- surnames like that are found both in south-west Scotland and in Ulster.
One of my closest Y DNA matches on Family Tree DNA is a chap called Rock who comes from an indigenous Catholic family in Co. Armagh. The Scots and the Irish are closely related from way back.
Harry
Not trying to offend but I am curious at to what are you considering to be “Native Irish”? McCuaig’s Rathlin remains go back to about 2000 B.C. which upended the Celtic idea of earliest populations because genetically he was more similar to modern Irish and much much older than Iron Age celts. Yet there are older remains (Ballynahatty 3200 B.C.) which genetically are more similar to Mediterranean people. That seems to imply that nativity is relevant to a specific time period and not actual first populations. If the current hypothesis holds (which seems very likely) the east to west migration of Bell Beaker folk brought the modern Irish genetics, at least paternal Y DNA haplogroup R1B-L21+. But even then earlier Neolithic folk were already there. So who were the natives, or are you only comparing pre to post plantation periods?
Harry: This is “me” according to National Geographic’s Genographic project: You see the Irish-British component, that are to small to be statistically significant in their Norwegian control group:
YOU
Scandinavia: 68 %
Irish-British: 17 %
Southern Europe: 11 %
Finland-Siberia: 3 %
NORWEGIAN (reference population)
Scandinavia: 64 %
Eastern Europe: 14 %
Finland and Siberia: 12 %
Western and Sentral Europe: 8 %
In the Britain neolithic samples we can see both J1C1 and J1C2 so we know there were there at least in the Neolithic.
I2691 (J1C1 3701-3640 BCE),
I2629 (J1c1b 3180-2780 BCE).
I2933 (J1c2 3011-2886 BCE).
An interesting new discovery about Cheddar Man, Britain’s oldest complete skeleton –
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
It says he was of Middle Eastern origin. What’s the bet he was a Jasmine?
Harry
It was reported before that his mitochondrial DNA was haplogroup U. However, I understand there is a new paper due out shortly that sequences his entire genome, so we will hopefully have an update soon.
J2a2a mtDNA here. 23 and Me says my ancestry is roughly half English/Irish and the other half French/German. I’m wondering if DNA from a nephew (brother’s son) would give me some information about the paternal side. Actually, I’ve researched MOST of the family back to the 15th and 16th c. but I’m curious about where the genes were before that.
I’m j1c and I basically paid $80 to be told I’m 99.6 jewish.. is there anyway to pin point a location . I was basically told it most of Europe. I was looking for some kind of break down of countries.
Ethnicity can’t do that. Look at your closest matches or work on your genealogy.
My name is Kees Steutel, from the Netherlands. I belong to haplogroup J1C2. My family lived for centuries on the Zeeland iles, which aeria was populated a few centuries before our era. I am curious whether my origin is from that time or was brought on later by invasions.
I like to hear more from members of my group in the Netherlands or Belgium.
I am J1b1 I love to hear about my ancestors! thank you so much for sharing all your work. I am on gedmatch if anyone wants to compare. M282675 under Lacquita Ratterree. my email is lacquitaclark@gmail.com if anyone gets a match I would love to hear from you!
My halpogroup is J1c , My grand father is Sephardi Jewish moved from Greece to Turkey then Israel in 1970’s , I was born and raise in Israel, Just to let you guys know, It’s Jewish DNA.
Different downstream haplogroups from J2c took different historic avenues. Glad you know what yours is! Just to be clear for you, you don’t carry your grandfather’s mitochondrial DNA, it’s passed matrilineally.
hello i am a J1 from eastern turkey , my dna tests results say i am 93 % western asian , 3.2% Scandinavian and 2.9 ashkenazi . I was surprised about the scandinavian because it is very rare in this region.
Hello, I’m from Norway, and I’m not surprised of your 3.2 % Scandinavian because many vikings went to the area that now is Turkey, and never returned. Myself I am according to a test 68% Scandinavian, 17% Irish-British, 11 % Southern- Europe (Italy-Greek), 3% Finland-Siberia, which is no surprise as I’m from the Western Coast of Norway.
I wonder if, by “Scandinavian”, they mean the Y DNA haplogroup R1a, which is common in Scandinavia but also in eastern Europe and also I think in parts of Asia. It would be helpful if the testing agencies would define what they mean by these terms.
Harry
I don’t think so, the results come from analysis of the whole genome. clusters, specific genes, and so on. I know two other persons originally from the islands on the sunnmøre coast that have the atypical Irish/British and Southern European components that I have, so some people have travelled along the European and Norwegian coasts, and never bothered going inland in Norway. Or different groups met in Norway. Who knows. I have also taken the test by MyHeritage that was a bit more specific, and gave me also an Irish proportion, plus a British/Northern France, in addition to the Mediterranean, thereby confirming the Geographic one. I have very little Finnish/Siberian compared to standard Norwegian population, this in both tests. I have a family line that spreads with names going back to Germany and the Netherlands, but to small contribution to the total to become statistically significant, so no Central, Baltic or East European proportion in my test results.
I’m interested to hear that many Norwegians have a Finnish/Siberian component in their DNA. FTDNA originally gave me 5% Finland & North Siberia, and 32% Western & Central Europe. Scandinavia wasn’t mentioned. Then they revised that to 33% Scandinavian and 0% Finnish. And Western & Central Europe had disappeared. I wish they would explain to their customers how they arrive at these values, and what they mean.
MyHeritage give me 19.3% Scandinavian, 4.9% Finnish and 4.7% Baltic. If you add all of that together, it almost corresponds to my FTDNA 33% Scandinavian. So I think that by “Scandinavian”, FTDNA mean the whole of northern and north-eastern Europe, whereas MyHeritage try to be more exact.
When I tested my mtDNA with FTDNA I found some matches who were Norwegian or Americans with Norwegian ancestry. One Norwegian lady was a doctor working for Folkhelseinstituttet in Oslo. She and I were a very close J1c2 match.
Another of my matches had ancestry from Latvia (Courland), which of course counts as “Baltic”.
Harry
I’m not an expert on this, but think Scandinavian means Denmark, Sweden and Norway, Finland event + Siberia is always separated since the genetic differences are quite large. A typical Norwegian also have an Eastern European and Northern-(continental)European/baltic component. I am atypical being from the Western coast, with influences from probably sea traveling people from the west and south. If you look at Scandinavia you can see the mountains in Norway making a kind of barriere, and Western Norwegian dialects are quite different from Eastern Norwegian dialects even now.
I actually know some Norwegians who have tested around 97% Scandinavian! 😮 You find the Scandinavian component also further south, of coarse, because of the Vikings. This is interesting: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/
A lot of Scots feel a sense of kinship with Norwegians, and there is a lot of interest in the Norwegian language situation with Nynorsk and Bokmål as official languages. Here in Scotland we have English and Scots – which began as a northern English dialect – and some people would like Scots to become an official language too, but the problem is there are many dialects and people can’t agree how to make an official language out of these dialects and how to spell it.
Many years ago I wrote some academic articles comparing Scots and Nynorsk and had them published in various journals.
Apologies for straying from the subject of genetic genealogy!
Harry
Harry: If you are on Facebook we can be friends there. I like taking pictures, and post many, both from this region where I live now – Trøndelag, and when I’, visiting Sunnmøre!
I’m not on Facebook, and prefer to correspond from my home email address. If I am allowed to give that here, it’s h.watson701@btinternet.com
Harry
I would be interested in any information on J1c2g. Some people have traced
ancestry to England including the counties of Kent and possibly Devon and Wiltshire.
One known instance in county of Suffolk. Can anyone shed any light on this and
similar haplotypes in the County of Kent in England, please?
I don’t know of any correlation by county. What about your matches map.
Thank you Roberta. I have checked the matches map however there are only about 10
Coding Region matches and the majority of those have a GD of 1 or 2. In general
terms it seems J1c2g is linked to the UK and Western Europe including but not limited
to France, Germany and Scandinavia. If J1c2f started about 1000 years ago, would
there be an estimated commencement date for J1c2g, please?
I include the various haplogroup “birth” dates for people who purchase the Personalized DNA Reports or even a Quick Consult. Here’s the link if you’re interested. https://dna-explained.com/store/
I am the daughter of a Scots Irish Mother, my Haplogroup is J1c7. My hobby is horticulture. Trees, Plants, and mosses don’t know what they are, they have no ego.
I just got my ancestry results from 23AndMe and was confirmed as being a J1b1a as are several other immediate family members. I was enticed into finding my mito-haplogroup by Sykes’ “Seven Daughters” book and find his lineages into the distant past fascinating. I am puzzled by the discrepancy in dates he gives for Jasmine’s era (10,000 BCE) and other sources that give much earlier dates (up to 45000 BCE) for the emergence of the “J” haplogroup. Was Jasmine one of the subclades of this originating “J” group and not the originator as I thought? The earlier dates would put her very far ahead of the agricultural revolution following the last ice age or right in the middle of it following the ice age as Sykes claims. Any clarification would be very satisfying.
Sykes book was very interesting for the time in which it was published, 20 years ago, but we’ve learned a huge amount and his book is very out of date now.
I am also a J1b1a. I’m on 23andMe under Brittney M. Are you on GEDMATCH? I’m curious if we are a match. If anyone else is a match I’d love to hear from you–blmmason@gmail.com. My GEDMATCH number is WR1846113
Hi Brittney – I have done nothing to follow up on my J1b1a results given by 23andme. After the dating of Sykes’ results on the timing this particular group putting it right at the time of the agricultural revolution were thrown into question my fascinaton with the accuracy of Jamine’s life condition also decreased. I have not done any geneological research but apprecaite the work of others. So little time these days. Regards kenknaell
Hi I’m a J1b1b1a I done a lest with ancestry about 2010 my mt dna comes from Iran siberia adyghe people .I’ve traced back my female line to the late 1600s somerset England wondering how it there from urope. Can anyone one help
I will be talking more about mapping migration paths in the Mitochondrial DNA Projects article in a few weeks.
Very interesting my daughter tested J-1 C-1. I am waiting for my 23 and Me results. I have been following Geni.com for some years, now haplo groups will affirm established histories. In the tree kings, queens and writers of the constitution. Trooper John, Benjamin Rush. We have welsh, English, Irish, French and Scots. But are expanding our heritage search and realities through common technology. William Rush gave farms to his children, we continue with breeding Highland cattle and Arabian horses, now retired. When I find more so happy to share the information.
I’m part of the J1c3b1 group. Any information on this particular group?
The best thing you can do is to look at your matches and follow the mtDNA series. https://dna-explained.com/mitochondrial-dna/
To Roberta and Jasmine’s grand daughter,
I apologize but my interest in my detailed personal genealogy are not as deep as some of yours are but knowledge in general of the “J” group and evolution are. My mt-haplogroup is J1b1a. I did look into the “J” lineage as much as was easily accessible online and was disappointed when I read (somewhere) in what seemed a very scientifically valid article that the data available to determine a date for the birth of the Jasmine group did not satisfy another test that it should have satisfied so the authors declined to give a date for the origin of this haplogroup/clade/whatever. They did give dates for others however. That article and other general discussions seem to indicate that the initial date of 40000 to 50000 years BCE for the Jasmine clade is very tentative considering the results of recent discoveries and the real date may be as much as twice as old. Sorry I can not be more specific – this is not a formal research effort and I did not keep records however this open question has bothered me significantly and hindered any further enthusiasm I have had in going further. Is the date of Jasmine’s origin in as much question as it seems and was Sykes’ representation of her life quite mistaken because of this chronological uncertainty?
Sykes was mistaken.
In my note above I mis-remembered and now recall that Sykes proposed that Jasmine lived around 10,000 BCE whereas current estimates, while very uncertain, put her at least twice as far back and therefore before the agricultural revolution he visualized her in. Too bad – we now have to think of Jasmine as a cave woman – just like us but under privileged.
I thought I had sent a long reply but I can’t see it perhaps it is still awaiting moderation? I got plain old J1 and thought I was still awaiting analysis to find out my subclade but it seems that’s it…J1. I may be repeating myself here but J1 and J2 both independently developed mutations 145 and 261 and are the only haplogroup to do this. I have both of those along with 069 and 231. I haven’t got anywhere with Oxford Ancestors trying to find what it means to have that particular result….I have no idea of the route to Britain and I find that frustrating. There are plain J1’s in Norway, Austria, Germany, France, Bulgaria,Greece, Denmark, Cyprus, Ireland and England on Oxford Ancestors database. I came across an interesting American study on the history of Germanic and Celtic languages in Britain based on people’s mtdna locational mutations. It said mtdna J1 was Anatolian and had remained close to J2’s in the Med area (is that because they both developed 145 and 261???) 231 was ‘Germanic’ but other Germanic markers were not present, nor were Scandinavian markers….so plain J1 was a mystery to them, where did it come from and when did it arrive…they didn’t think it was Anglo Saxon. They say the German border areas near Belgium haven’t had MtDNA studied yet so potentially it’s been brought with the Belgae. The Belgae are rumoured to have been displaced from Ireland to North Wales, but there isn’t much information. I am trying to find out more bouncing from one study to another and I am in no way an academic. If anyone can offer guidance I would be grateful, I don’t even understand the basics, so many subclades and I don’t have one!!!
You can use the matches map at Family Tree DNA and you can also view the mtDNA haplotree to look at haplogroup migration as the haplogroup evolved. They include country flags.
There are several great genetic studies out now from the Reich group which proves that J1 was a haplotype seen in Mesolithic Britain. So we can infer from those at least a time J1 was present, not necessarily origins but at least present.
Mathieson I, Alpaslan-Roodenberg S, Posth C, et al. The genomic history of southeastern Europe. Nature. 2018;555(7695):197-203. doi:10.1038/nature25778
Olalde I, Brace S, Allentoft ME, et al. The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe [published correction appears in Nature. 2018 Mar 21;555(7697):543]. Nature. 2018;555(7695):190-196. doi:10.1038/nature25738
Olalde I, Mallick S, Patterson N, et al. The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years. Science. 2019;363(6432):1230-1234. doi:10.1126/science.aav4040
Hi…me again, plain old just J1 turned out to be J2a1a1. Unfortunately the first company I used, Oxford Ancestors, only use HVR1 and you need HVR2 as well to get some J subclades.
FtDNA have given me my proper subclade.
I live in the area of the Setanti tribe in Lancashire. Believed a sub sect of the Brigante.
Very little is known of the Setanti, Ptolomy mentioned their port when he was mapping Britain.
Many believe it to be the Estuary area on the River Wyre. My first known direct female Ancestor goes back to a village on the River Wyre in the late 1600s and I am a few miles upstream able to throw a stone in it from my garden.
In Irish writings the Setanti were described as ‘The People Whose Land is the Sea’. I haven’t been able to find much on J2a1a1 other than they are interesting because they are found in fishing communities, like Sardinia and Finland. Fleetwood is near the mouth of the Wyre and it’s a fishing port. We never know the true picture but aren’t these little snippets very interesting???
Regards
Linda
What does your marches map show? And the public tree locations? This is so interesting.
The matches map shows my closest links are in England and Ireland.
I have been wondering what is the present estimate of when Jasmine lived. Sykes estimated 10,000 years ago but seems like this has been pushed back and one site stated that an estimate would not be made because data seemed to fail a related quality test. Is she tied to the agricultural revolution or did she come before that.
The Million Mito project is working on aging now.
I too am J1C3. My recent ancestry is Irish with some Scottish.
What does a DNA report of J2a1a Mt DNA mean?
I got my Haplogroup from Familytree DNA in 2019. My got J1c3g and lot of HVRI… HVR2.. and Coding Region.
Hi Roberta, I get your posts and read and enjoy many of them. I commend you on your scholarship. I tested at both My Heritage and 23&me getting mito haplogroup is J1b1a. I also get a strong feeling of kinsmanship to Jasmine but then realize that she herself may have never left her birthplace but her long chain of descendants certainly did. I get awestruck realizing that the last glacial maximum occurred half way back to that notable date and that the carving of “The Lady of Brassempouy” was carved at that half way point by some creative soul with flaked stone tools probably sitting out in the sun. And that was great progress from the conditions that Jasmine and her fellow six “daughters” endured. What a chain of events. Regards – ken